Agreed. Big threat.

 

Fedex was a mess right before Covid hit just now Fred is gone so your protections are gone with him. We wish you all good luck with this contract.

 

saying negotiating capital was used to double first year pay is absolutely nothing to brag about even back in 2015. It’s still insulting at 4k/MO and it’s paired with no housing throughout training.

 

I'll see you back here whenever he presents the TA. I'm willing to confess how wrong I was with out a single hesitation

Are you willing to admit you've been mislead and vote accordingly? Or will you come back and equivocate and explain when PM says given the environment and the declining yields this was the best we could do?

I am not gonna blindly trust them to put out what will be ratified. The last POS agreement was ratified by 57% I don't have a single reason to believe we aren't marching down the same path. In fact the more PM speaks the more uneasy I feel and the more people spread the message of furloughs and doom and gloom the more certain I am that's where this road ends. Its what the company wants.

Don't give me slides talking about volumes and declining yields. Don't tell me about possibly losing section 28. Its not the only thing that matters and I'm not accepting a single give back to improve that section. NOT A SINGLE ONE.

Everyone is free to do what they like and believe what they want, but I'm not waiting till everyone's position is committed to start questioning things. The NC/MEC can still change things. We don't have to be presented with a TA and vote it down to change priorities. The time and money spent are sunk costs so stop referring to them.

 

The quote from the video was incomplete. I just relayed what was actually said.

I plan on voting accordingly regardless. Until I read the TA, I can only go off what has been said through official channels. The toxic negativity and speculation from the peanut gallery isn't useful at all.

And no, it makes no sense to revisit a completed section now. PM makes a rational and logical case why that is.

However, international Scope certainly should have been addressed before now. It clearly wasn't on anyone's mind when they were flying draft trips during covid.

A good contract should work during the best and worst of times. I'm not going to let doom and gloom let me vote yes on a subpar contract. The business environment will improve at some point, like it always does.

 

Agreed 100%.

Just since I started here five years ago, the slide into mediocrity has been rather swift. My Nextdoor app is filled with complaints about FedEx. The whole “PSP” thing doesn’t work too well when you remove the People and Service components. Profits will surely be next to fall.

I’m still (barely) young enough to start over somewhere else if I have to. I can’t tell you how much I regret turning down United for this place five years ago.

 

Buying up lines is fine.... except when contractors are flying our freight on routes we have the authority to. Same with closing bases. If volume declines, so be it. If volume declines, but we reduce our in house flying instead of contractor flying... that's where I take issue with it.

we were told that the flying secured in covid was secure for 7 years, that theres no way it would go back to the pax carriers because we signed 7 year deals... we were lied to. If we had known that we were being lied to, that would have changed the calculus.

No. I'm willing to hold the line for retro retirement for all since amendable date. Most senior people are not willing to hold the line to fix the rest of this awful CBA as long as sec 28 is fixed. That's the issue. I want them to get a better retirement, but I'm also not going to shed a tear if they sleep in the bed they made. I'm not willing to accept a deal with concessions just so they can retire richer when they're already going to retire rich.

I'm very knowledgeable about IRS limits thanks. And yes, senior pilots who aren't in good financial situations should have been flying their tails off during covid to get ready for retirement... everyone else was. You act like that's a ridiculous concept but its not.

We should absolutely be furloughing those of us on the bottom part of the list. 4.a.2.c benefits the company. Allows them to pay almost all of us less and gives them flexibility.

Nobody asked for 4.a.2.b to be kept, or improved. It benefits the company, not us.

Welcome to FedEx!

This. I'm not paying PM to sell the company's position to me or engage in expectation management.

 

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ASL's contract is not coming to an end. I'm not lying. Wish I was.

The company and union bragged about the 7 year deals.

4.a.2.b just allows the company to pay us less and keeps us in "low paid standby mode"

Let them furlough, or at least try it. They'd announce it and then realize the training costs of bringing everyone back would be more than what it was worth, and take too long.

 

ASL was part of the deal with TNT. It existed before you chose FedEx as your best. Nobody yet has shown that we’ve lost flying in Europe to ASL. IMO, we significantly increased flying because we took/leased their three TNT B777s and we no longer task their 747s … our 777s picked up those routes. You probably weren’t around to see TNT 747s using FedEx call signs. Nor were you around to hear about the donnybrooks between TNT-ASL and FDX crews in CDG when the Europeans found out Americans were taking their jobs. Your account of what’s happened is widely inaccurate. The 737s in FedEx livery happened in 2017. They were TNT livery birds before at LGG. The sky isn’t falling. Yes, we need to address scope after this contract.

You’re wrong. The company, specifically Brie Carere EVP and Chief Customer Officer of FedEx, said in earnings calls during COVID that they were trying to get long term deals with new customers. Whether they screwed up who knows? Demand for package delivery fell for ALL cargo operators not just FedEx in 2022. Amazon closed warehouses. UPS is parking MD-11a. And no the union didn’t promise anything about 7 year deals. If anything they just repeated what the company said. The union is not told any information about the business model except for what they hear publicly.

Again, lies and half truths with you. You are not a victim.

Let the record forever show that you’re whining about your perception that older pilots are ignoring the scope issue at the risk of your career, but you have no problem with deleting 4A2 and furloughing junior pilots.

You’ve got yours, right 3-18?