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Old 05-08-2023 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Well, you decided to do the same. Maybe you think it is a rebuttal because you don't think you will like the answers.

I want the answers to those questions. If you don’t know the answers just say you don’t know.
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Old 05-08-2023 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
I'd like the answer too, but even if our CBA said "all FedEx freight will be flown by pilots on the FedEx Master Seniority List," how would that affect our intra-Canadian flying done by Morningstar? Does Transport Canada & IATA say "oh, it's in your contract, well never mind about these pesky Freedoms of the Air things?"

I'm really not sure.
Probably not the case but nothing stops us from flying the routes ASL took!
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Old 05-08-2023 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
That doesn't sound correct. Pretty sure UPS pilots are RLA like us, while UPS drivers are NLRA.

IPA has managed to enforce their "if UPS pilots can legally fly it, UPS pilots will fly it" scope clause in at least one scenario (CGN-IST-TLV). Took a grievance to make it happen, but they did enforce it.
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Absolutely, positively, 100% incorrect. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Originally Posted by bitwiser
You just lost all credibility regarding scope. No, UPS pilots are not governed by the NLRA. Never have been, never will be. There is no reason our scope can't be at least as good as UPS.
Thanks for correcting the record. We are all trying to achieve the same thing.
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Old 05-08-2023 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
A copy and paste of UPS language would fix this ASL issue.
I may have been wrong about RLA versus NLA, the problem is that the RLA does not cover international operations (operations that don't touch the USA). I think this is the reason why UPS has the following clause in their contract, "The Company, its affiliates, the Association, and their successors agree, that in connection with any dispute before an arbitrator or in court, not to raise as a defense the non-applicability of the Railway Labor Act to international operations as defined in C."

I think the NC's email sent out today was encouraging. It didn't sound like doom and gloom.
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Old 05-08-2023 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
Probably not the case but nothing stops us from flying the routes ASL took!
Our flying hours are still higher than before ASL. If the routes are under performing, let them put a 737 on it.
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Old 05-08-2023 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
…If the routes are under performing, let them put a 737 on it.

The point is, WE should be doing that flying.

If it’s in 737’s, fine, type us. Wouldn’t be that hard to do. We even have the payrate in our CBA.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
If the routes are under performing, let them put a 737 on it.
Absolutely but that 737 should be flown by two FedEx pilots.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 09:22 AM
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I find it unconscionable that every day, our senior, and junior pilots are watching our flying being outsourced under the old Section 1.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Absolutely but that 737 should be flown by two FedEx pilots.
Louder for the people in the back please. After all, we already have the pay scales for it. If management needs to re-gauge to smaller than a 57, that is a management problem, not a line pilot problem. Which for that matter, their reasoning for utilizing ASL, IMHO is not at all related to gauge. We have both scope problems, AND a volume (management) problem.

Originally Posted by CloudSailor
I find it unconscionable that every day, our senior, and junior pilots are watching our flying being outsourced under the old Section 1.
Also, louder for the people in the back please.
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Old 05-09-2023 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
I'd like the answer too, but even if our CBA said "all FedEx freight will be flown by pilots on the FedEx Master Seniority List," how would that affect our intra-Canadian flying done by Morningstar? Does Transport Canada & IATA say "oh, it's in your contract, well never mind about these pesky Freedoms of the Air things?"

I'm really not sure.
I'd say it's really how the company CHOOSES to operate. They can avoid Morningstar in Canada and not violate the freedoms rule. All Canada cargo leaves and turns in the USA for sort then returns to Canada. Yes it costs a lot more but there are a lot more FDX pilot jobs. Saying the international scope flying issues cannot be solved is short sighted when union reps say that. It can be solved, it just might be very costly. So the issue is can we find a less costly solution that keeps those pilot jobs in house? I feel pretty good that all the smart FDX Hacks Cross chess players already know they would solve the problem if scope ever became an issue for them. There is just no way they would ever tell ALPA. It's up to our in house experts to find the solution then force through a scope clause that makes the company use the better option for our pilots.

Our union just needs to think outside the box for these type issues. For example, If we cannot find a way around belly freight, then tell the US Majors that our pilots are going to put in a clause that allows belly freight only on carriers that also give our pilots pass privileges for life. Who know maybe we could improve our QOL on a contract without giving something up. FDX spends millions on belly freight shipping every year and I get the issues around belly freight, but try get us something. Just making a wild suggestion off the top of my head, but I'm sure some of the really smart guys/girls here could come up with much better ideas.
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