Yes, yes, yes and yes!

 

I 100% agree with you and feel the same way. I was just answering the question about why people aren't impressed with the responses they get from their reps. It should be an industry leading contract that stands on its own merits without some word salad sales pitch from ALPA.

 

Oh Mr Burning Bush. We don’t know what it says. We all have some expectations. Most don’t expect to be second fiddle to airlines that have not made money while we did. It’s just some of us don’t feel the need to get our panties in a bunch until we actually read it. You don’t know my priorities so stop assuming because we knows what happens when you assume. Calmate amigo. Your circular firing squad approach to consensus building sucks. Your valid points are lost when you present them like you do. If it’s a weak TA, it will hopefully get voted down. If not, we can be happy and maybe you can find another hobby.

 

I also emailed my rep and got a very irritating response. Looks like we’re gonna have to shoot this one down ourselves and replace our reps if they don’t start listening to us.

 

Waiting to get "our panties" in a bunch until after this agreement comes out will be too late. The best outcome could be that we put enough pressure on the MEC to reject a deal that doesn't meet their stated priorities. If you honestly think the information about what's in this deal is not being circulated you're being naive and you have know way of knowing what anyone knows. I don't want to read a bad deal. In fact we should never even see it. Don't know why the logic behind that escapes you. If the firing squad is circular its because some of us seem to think having the membership at large vote on a bad deal is a good idea. 57% to 43% that's what that gets you around here.

If the MEC rejects this thing there's still an opportunity to keep moving towards self help.

PS the burning bush was God directing Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. The analogy is a bit over the top but if that's the message you're getting I'm good with it.

 

Only a narcissist like you could not see the sarcasm in the Burning Bush analogy. 🤦‍♂️

it hasn’t made it out of the process to be even considered by the crew force. You sound like the arrogant politicians who can’t be bothered with what the majority might vote. You are so much wiser than everybody else and if the TA reaches the unwashed masses that vote would be too much responsibility for grown men and women, many with more life experience than you. Last time I checked we are members of ALPA, not Shaman’s Pilot Association. You can start a new union. It can be called SHaman Is The Pilot I Love Emulating. Until then, you get 1 vote like all of us. If the TA sucks, hopefully it gets voted down. If it doesn’t go your way, I hear Delta’s hiring…I’m sure you’d rock the double breasted suit and hat with that attitude.

 

Trying to employ sarcasm yet being unable to recognize it is not the best look.

The name calling and denigrating another pilot group is also a nice touch. One never knows what will trigger some people.

So I will apologize for saying things you don't like. If you need a hug let me know.

 

Says the person who “denigrates” the crew force he works with and the union representing him 🤔. Can’t try and play the voice of calm and reason here when you’ve gotten all hot and bothered all week.

I really do think Delta, United or AA might be a better fit for you. You don’t seem happy and You are too smart to stay with this basket of deplorables here.

It’s after midnight….Friday is upon us. You’ll see a TA soon…or not if the MEC sends it back. Then you might have a reason to debate like an adult.

Hugs

 

oh no sir you are correct I am not the calm voice of reason. Reasonable is what produced the document that you're so eagerly awaiting. You reasonable people are willing to entertain an agreement with pay rates that will be exceeded by all three main Pax carriers. The deplorables will believe them when they tell you the overall economic value is the largest in fedex history. And you'll believe them. Enjoy your consolation prize. You're exactly the type of guy this company loves the ones that settle. The ones who want to quash descent so you can get yours. If you believe you are n the majority why waste time arguing on the internet? You don't want to fight for anything cause you're too comfortable with what you got.

Like I said we will all meet you back here so you can tout the merits of our industry leadong contract. One thing you said was right those at Delta and united rejected substandard deals and got something better. We need more of that here instead of encouraging it to leave.

 

There’s a lot of talk about concessions when nobodies even seen the contract.
I’ll withhold judgement until it comes out.