In a word… embarrassing!
06-13-2023 | 09:25 AM
#11
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Respectfully, you're really quite wrong
That may be easy to say on an anonymous message board, or if you have the ability to delay your retirement until a new contract is negotiated. But for those people who have imminent, mandatory retirement, they are going to vote yes. 32.K a year for life is a lot to lose for the satisfaction of taking the high road to help the younger people on the crew force, and it is extremely unlikely that a new TA will make improvements for people who are already retired and can't vote. The crew force and the union do not care about your pocketbook after you retire.
There appear to be many concessions in this TA, and of course we know how these contracts go, more concessions that were snuck in become obvious after implementation. I think people close to retirement will vote for it, and those further away having to live with the concessions, won't.
There appear to be many concessions in this TA, and of course we know how these contracts go, more concessions that were snuck in become obvious after implementation. I think people close to retirement will vote for it, and those further away having to live with the concessions, won't.
My retirement is in fact imminent and mandatory as I'm very rapidly approaching 65. So no, I'm not taking the extra 32K and running. I prefer to look in the mirror with some self respect knowing that I didn't abandon those who are following me.
06-13-2023 | 10:29 AM
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"Hard No"
In my brief encounters with other crew members on the hub turn I continually heard "Hard No." I am in that camp as well.
Sacrificing QOL in so many places to subsidize future retirement that may not be there seems like a bad idea.
Easy Choice... Hard No
Sacrificing QOL in so many places to subsidize future retirement that may not be there seems like a bad idea.
- Flat pay raise that only brings us up to current inflationary levels, maybe...
- No back pay to amendable date, so are we splitting those dollars 50 / 50 with the Company?
- 15yr to 14yr, 15yr to 13yr, 15yr to 12yr, so If I have been here five years how does that help me? (I am am a 17 yr guy)
- R24 to R16.... How do I commute in?
- SMU... didn't see that one coming, complete give back
- Substitution lives on....
- Scope? SPR.... 1% of airframe shrinkage is on the horizon without a doubt, wet lease while parking jets = fewer FDX pilots = slower career progression, so if I have been here 5 years how does this help me?
- AVA changes,..... Productivity increase subsidizing retirement
- Implementation schedule over 4 years.... seen that play out before
- No penalty language if they do not get around to their phase in per the implementation dates... Trust us it'll be different this time, you'll love the text message notifications, when feasible of course
Easy Choice... Hard No
06-13-2023 | 10:39 AM
#13
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From: Scarebus Captain
I'm not really hiding here... perhaps I'm not as well known as TonyC, but there are plenty on the triple that were happy I did their line checks over the last 5 years or so.
My retirement is in fact imminent and mandatory as I'm very rapidly approaching 65. So no, I'm not taking the extra 32K and running. I prefer to look in the mirror with some self respect knowing that I didn't abandon those who are following me.
My retirement is in fact imminent and mandatory as I'm very rapidly approaching 65. So no, I'm not taking the extra 32K and running. I prefer to look in the mirror with some self respect knowing that I didn't abandon those who are following me.
06-13-2023 | 10:41 AM
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From: Scarebus Captain
In my brief encounters with other crew members on the hub turn I continually heard "Hard No." I am in that camp as well.
Sacrificing QOL in so many places to subsidize future retirement that may not be there seems like a bad idea.
Easy Choice... Hard No
Sacrificing QOL in so many places to subsidize future retirement that may not be there seems like a bad idea.
- Flat pay raise that only brings us up to current inflationary levels, maybe...
- No back pay to amendable date, so are we splitting those dollars 50 / 50 with the Company?
- 15yr to 14yr, 15yr to 13yr, 15yr to 12yr, so If I have been here five years how does that help me? (I am am a 17 yr guy)
- R24 to R16.... How do I commute in?
- SMU... didn't see that one coming, complete give back
- Substitution lives on....
- Scope? SPR.... 1% of airframe shrinkage is on the horizon without a doubt, wet lease while parking jets = fewer FDX pilots = slower career progression, so if I have been here 5 years how does this help me?
- AVA changes,..... Productivity increase subsidizing retirement
- Implementation schedule over 4 years.... seen that play out before
- No penalty language if they do not get around to their phase in per the implementation dates... Trust us it'll be different this time, you'll love the text message notifications, when feasible of course
Easy Choice... Hard No
06-13-2023 | 11:14 AM
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Here, here! I read through the PDF and quickly realized our status quo with current pay rates is better than what this pos TA proposes.
Here's a funny one our NC must have fought so hard for: "A pilot shall not be required to provide a receipt/folio with the pilot’s expense report. The Company will provide the pilot a method by which the Company can obtain the receipt/folio from the hotel directly."
TRANSLATION: Company Expense Report office will call your cell phone at 2AM with a fax number for the folios. You will be instructed by the Company to call all of your scheduled hotels for all previous month's expense reports and pass them this fax number. Company requirement complete.
What did WE give up for this???????
We got friggin' duped! I see ZERO true QOL gains that are applicable to 95% of the crew force.
FUPM, DAL + a Dime, ZERO CONCESSIONS, SCOPE! .... I'll wait!!!
Here's a funny one our NC must have fought so hard for: "A pilot shall not be required to provide a receipt/folio with the pilot’s expense report. The Company will provide the pilot a method by which the Company can obtain the receipt/folio from the hotel directly."
TRANSLATION: Company Expense Report office will call your cell phone at 2AM with a fax number for the folios. You will be instructed by the Company to call all of your scheduled hotels for all previous month's expense reports and pass them this fax number. Company requirement complete.
What did WE give up for this???????
We got friggin' duped! I see ZERO true QOL gains that are applicable to 95% of the crew force.
FUPM, DAL + a Dime, ZERO CONCESSIONS, SCOPE! .... I'll wait!!!
06-13-2023 | 11:29 AM
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'a specifically targeted benefit for the nearly 3100 pilots who have been hired here since 2015'
What percentage of 3100 are they hoping will vote Yes because of this benefit?
Also, I would like for Pat to point out where in Section 6 Openers this 'targeting' is listed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cZ4oWauehA
06-13-2023 | 02:23 PM
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06-13-2023 | 02:37 PM
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I'm not really hiding here... perhaps I'm not as well known as TonyC, but there are plenty on the triple that were happy I did their line checks over the last 5 years or so.
My retirement is in fact imminent and mandatory as I'm very rapidly approaching 65. So no, I'm not taking the extra 32K and running. I prefer to look in the mirror with some self respect knowing that I didn't abandon those who are following me.
My retirement is in fact imminent and mandatory as I'm very rapidly approaching 65. So no, I'm not taking the extra 32K and running. I prefer to look in the mirror with some self respect knowing that I didn't abandon those who are following me.
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