Is there a discussion to be had regarding pay banding?

In the past, our WB pay rates were compared with the legacy 777/747; our NB rates were compared with 757/767. For this TA, they have both dropped an entire pay band at the legacies. The WB is now comparable to the 757/767 and the NB is now comparable to the A319/A220.

Would it benefit us more to have each aircraft pay its own rate to avoid setting the precedent of having such mediocre rates? Couldn’t such a low 777 rate hurt us in downline contracts and indicate that as cargo pilots we are worth less and willing to accept less?

I ran an example where the 777 set the bar and was equal to the new AA rates. From there the respective rates were 757 at 85%, Airbus at 88%, 767 at 92%, and MD at 95%. For 2027, we ended with the following:

777 - $488
MD - $464
767 - $449
Airbus - $429
757 - $415

I felt like those rates were much more tolerable than the current TA. I’m on the bus FWIW.

Fire Away.

 

Historically our Airbus and 767 have always pattern bargained with the 747, 777 and 787 fleets of other companies. To stop doing that now would be a concession. What would we get for that?

 

A moderate increase in the legacy A plan that will never be increased again, an industry lagging retirement for new hires on property after this TA, a bunch of QOL concessions, substandard pay rates, and a swift kick in the nuts.

 

Well, I feel like we’re already subsidizing the retirement section with our pay rates. I would say we get a truly industry leading retirement section and an air tight scope Section.

 

At a 2nd MEM road show this was discussed.

it was said that The NC brought it to the MEC and the MEC shut it down since we had just had the realignment bid and people bid with one pay structure and thought it wouldn’t be fair to change it right after the bid.

 

Then why not make the effective date for this later in the future?

 

I think in order to do this we need to fix how we bid since it is almost impossible to laterally move.

 

A point to remember right now: our 2015 NC gave away passover pay for SDP. Well, we voted it in is more accurate. Huge, huge concession regarding our system bidding. Sold at the roadshows as a non-issue.

 

Come on, that was just a “corner case” - it’s had very little affect on very few people! 😉😉

Ask 757 LCAs/Flex’s how that supposedly innocuous change affected their total pay throughout the year.

In TRANSPARENCY, Integrity and Unity (for Everyone),
DLax

 

Well I think if we went as the OP suggested, we would get Higher 777 and MD-11 rates......at a minimum....this might be something to be looked at for 2028 if we want to look more like other carriers and there would be sufficient notice for those that want to bid accordingly with early openers.....

Of course, those would go senior and others would say it's just the "old guys" screwing the "new guys"......I say this not to be snarky, but the seniority system is always a two edge sword.....there comes a point where it stops working against you and starts working for you....and eventually I think all of us wants to be senior at some point. Not sure any of us came to this job with the goal of being egalitarians