DLax85

Thanks for your footnotes / bibliography. I'm still waiting to read the body of your paper, where you outline your arguments to support your thesis.

VR,
DLax

schloppy1

One of our greatest points of leverage is the fact we’re 700 over staffed. What do you think the legacy’s would be willing to pay to be in our position? We have 3 years worth of retirement’s covered. When a shipper comes forth with unexpected cargo, we have it covered. Instead of exploiting this advantage, our union and the company are threatening the 4A2b rabbit hole. Will that scare off the bottom folks? Maybe. Will it make hiring dang tough if we’re now a second tier airline, definitely. I would hope the new NC goes in with letters from every legacy, Southwest, and all the regional’s explaining the difficulties they are having in staffing their airlines. FedEx can ignore the problem while we’re over staffed. But as retirements continue and bottom attrition increases, this poor contract will catch up and bite them. Rock, I think this is pretty substantial leverage. Although I could be wrong.

mdeshazo

Dude, by your logic we should just accept whatever f'ed up TA we are presented with because to do otherwise isn't leverage. In spite of the obvious fact that it actually is leverage. It's some seriously interesting "logic". UAL and DAL didn't have leverage either, by your definition, yet they got paid.

Yuko

Rock,

I know you are big on clarity. I am a young FedEx Pilot and should be familiar with my demographic. I do not see a “significant percentage” of pilots saying old guys are in it for themselves. Can you tell me how many of my demographic kin are into this?

Further, as a youngun, I saw 500+ senior block voters say No to this proposal. They also saw what many middle and junior voters saw: a TA that was not worthy of ratification. I see their actions in the same great light akin to when the membership said no to B plan pension schemes that would fracture the membership years ago. I appreciate their vote/actions then and now.

What I do see is a cross section of young and old No voters who are upset about this underperforming concessionary proposal. (That is okay)

Everyone is a little emotional now and it will calm down, we just buried TA1 (I believe it was the right way to go) so folks are still doing their mourning. This will come in all sorts. A lot of it is loud right now.

You are probably doing some of your mourning too. I expect some yes voters to be loud but it is all part of the process towards a TA2.0.

Let folks get it out of their system because we have a long trek ahead (not a bad thing).

You are calling for folks to keep it honest, it always start with us, with me, with you. There is is no “significant percentage”.

In closing, get your TA list ready for the surveys and save a little room for not a single pilot left behind since amenable date for retirement improvement.

We did not delay improvements by 20+ years. Our company did. We did not delay focused negotiations. We did not strong arm our employer during CoVID. We actually answered the mail in billions of profit. The time for thank you emails and tv interviews about what was accomplished are over. This goodwill must be answered in the form of proper compensation package that honors the best cargo airline pilots (company’s words) on the planet.

Peak is coming. UPS negotiations are coming. Postal contract is coming. Leverage is fluid.

Not one pilot left behind, Let’s GO!

Thrust Hold

Going to be a very interesting 2024.

3pointlanding

You are so right about the CFO. I butted heads with him a long time back and talking with a lot of my Atlas friends he is not any better. If I were on the council I would be looking over the shoulder. Tough time are coming, there is no doubt about it.

MD11Simnerd

The UPS contract is not amendable until September of 2025

Yuko

Thank you!

Long is the road, my fellow poster.

Add an economy that is not tanking to that list as well per several rating agencies and central banks.

Not one pilot left behind, let’s GO!

Spot13

Laughing Jackal, ask to look at the NC books. That is just the start, so much more I have but you can do the research.

I bet you are D.U. a "good" Christian with no honor. Did you join PD, PM, CN, NC, and RS taking the new cfo out to eat after the cfo signed the $4.3 million stock bonus?

Rock

I’m guessing you really don’t know what section 6 of the RLA says. Or what our CBA says about amendable dates. Which answers precisely why the company has to negotiate with us. Which was, after all, the exact question you asked. That means you really have no idea what drives our negotiation process. It means you’re grossly ignorant about a key part of our profession. I’m not surprised really. But when you sign all your APC posts with “unity” I guess the unity you want is that everyone else be as ignorant as you. Lemmings have unity too. If that’s the only goal you’re looking for, you may well be missing the cliff right in front of you.

Some of the other more recent posts on this thread are remarkable. Does anyone really believe it makes sense to have a lot more employees than you need? Pay them salaries so they can sit around in case business might pick up? That’s leverage for us?!? I mean..:I’m guessing some of these posts are made as some sort of ironic humor. They have to be.

When I was told by someone on the R&I committee from 2015 that 40% of our pilots contributed nothing to their 401ks, I found it hard to believe. Now I’m guessing that might be an undershoot. The number might be closer to 57%.

I’m bored with this stupidity. So I’ll close with a couple suggestions. I know most people reading this won’t bother even thinking about it. Like DLax85, they’d rather ask questions they don’t really want to know the answers to, and bleat about “unity” to cover their ignorance. But maybe a few people will do themselves the favor of thinking strategically about the future.

1. Take 30 minutes and research what the USPS has already announced about its major reorganization. Do a little digging on Louis DeJoy. He’s the current Post Master General and his stated goal is to end things like the contract the Post Office has with FedEx. After you’ve done that, do a little research on how the postal contract impacts your job at FedEx.

2. Start paying attention to age 67 legislation. Then take a look at what age 65 legislation did to the careers of most FedEx pilots. Here’s a hint. For anyone still flying here…it wasn’t good. The company based its recent manning projections on pilots retiring at 65. A lot of those guys just had a pretty significant retirement boost yanked from them. You think they’re going anywhere now? Or are they going to wait until the next contract gets signed?

3. About that manning projection. Kill the postal contract and add age 67 and how accurate do you think it’s going to be? We already see it in the reduction of BLG. You think the MEC and Management are lying? Take a look at your paycheck. If you bother to do the first two things I suggest, consider what they mean to our manning. That directly impacts our BLG. You think guys like DLax85 and BrianH are going to be showing their “unity” by writing checks to people sitting reserve under 4a2c? Do yourself a favor and reach back into APC chronicles and see what life was like for junior guys in 2009 during 4a2b. Read the threads on how unified we were then. It was a **** show, and a year after it was over we didn’t even try to negotiate a full contract.

If you do 1, 2, and 3, and you aren’t comfortably senior, you will stop worrying about cutting the throats of our last NC, and start looking for ways to make extra money on the side. I was very junior in my seat last 4a2b. It lasted almost a year and a half. It sucked. We got there because we had too many pilots and not enough freight. Will we be there again? Do some due diligence and look at the USPS and age 67 and our current loads. Read the SIG notes very closely. Watch how our BLGs trend. Then make up your own mind. Hopefully, all the loose ends come together in our favor. I hope so. I really do.