Nothing on the NC resignations
07-29-2023, 08:47 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by CactusMan
Who’s the condescending a$$h0le hiding behind internet anonymity now, Mr Rock?
To equate all those inadequacies with chemtrail and flat-earth stupidity is to shine a light on your own ignorance. Leveraging a quick pension improvement on the backs of those who would have to pay the QOL bill for decades was a fundamentally flawed and selfish approach.
To equate all those inadequacies with chemtrail and flat-earth stupidity is to shine a light on your own ignorance. Leveraging a quick pension improvement on the backs of those who would have to pay the QOL bill for decades was a fundamentally flawed and selfish approach.
07-29-2023, 09:16 PM
#12
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Rock - yep I inadvertently combined you and Adler, my bad on criticizing the anonymous posting. Not chasing any conspiracy theories here. That said, it will be interesting to see what the MEC members do after several of them claimed they’d resign if this sub-par TA failed ratification. I’ve already received one rep response refusing to step down while having set an LEC meeting for (impossible to JS into) Monday afternoon 🤦♂️.
Only point I disagree with is the strike vote. While we all know the gov will never let us strike, the attempt to do so raises attention in the media, to shareholders and to potential customers. I don’t agree with sh!tting on the limited leverage we actually have.
Only point I disagree with is the strike vote. While we all know the gov will never let us strike, the attempt to do so raises attention in the media, to shareholders and to potential customers. I don’t agree with sh!tting on the limited leverage we actually have.
07-29-2023, 09:39 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
I spent almost 3 years on the MEC and I take issue with this typical, ignorant characterization of that body. I took the job reluctantly in the hopes that I could give back since I had never taken the time to contribute to ALPA. Now, as an empty nester, I had run out of excuses and answered the request of several colleagues to throw my name in the hat.
I had no motivation to eat at Ruth's Chris or smoke expensive cigars (although I have done both on my own dime).
What i got was at least 2-4 hours of unpaid work per day making phone calls and answering emails. I eventually had to promise my wife that I would quit by 13:00L at the expense of my marriage. During Covid I could count on at least one if not two 1-2 hour on-line MEC meetings per week. Again, unpaid. What I did get paid for was 4 either online or in-person 5-day MEC meetings per year - once a quarter. That consisted of paid travel to and from MEM for meetings Mon-Fri and paid travel home (in theory). If I could make jumpseats work to save ALPA money, I did. If I could use my MEM car I shared with another pilot, I did rather than expense a rental car to ALPA. Since I eat every day regardless of what I'm doing, I didn't claim per-diem (even though I could) while I was in MEM for the MEC meetings. We usually had a working lunch and one "team" dinner during the week with a PUB event for dinner and a MEM consolidated LEC meeting covering lunch one of the days.
I say, "in theory" because if you drop a 12-day trip for 6 days of ALPA work, you owe 6-days of AFB. We didn't have 6-day trips in our bid pack, so it turned into a huge cluster trying to find a short AFB trip to pay back ALPA. On at least two occasions it was easier to just work a normal trip de-conflicted from the MEC meeting and then do the MEC work for free. Eventually I decided to bid reserve lines to pac-man off R-days for MEC work but as a commuter, reserve wasn't always the best option. Either way, it was a sacrifice.
The bottom line, Mr. fly2ski, is that there's no way anyone does the job of an MEC rep for personal gain. There's none available. It sucks - and people like you make it worse. I know everyone personally on the MEC at this time and you and other's character assassination behind the anonymity of APC is an easy pu$$y move. You (or others) don't like the job they did, fine. Recall them, or be patient and I'll bet many will step down. Why the F would they want to deal with the likes of you. But, to come on a public forum and disparage their efforts beyond simple disagreement in perspective is uncalled for.
I had no motivation to eat at Ruth's Chris or smoke expensive cigars (although I have done both on my own dime).
What i got was at least 2-4 hours of unpaid work per day making phone calls and answering emails. I eventually had to promise my wife that I would quit by 13:00L at the expense of my marriage. During Covid I could count on at least one if not two 1-2 hour on-line MEC meetings per week. Again, unpaid. What I did get paid for was 4 either online or in-person 5-day MEC meetings per year - once a quarter. That consisted of paid travel to and from MEM for meetings Mon-Fri and paid travel home (in theory). If I could make jumpseats work to save ALPA money, I did. If I could use my MEM car I shared with another pilot, I did rather than expense a rental car to ALPA. Since I eat every day regardless of what I'm doing, I didn't claim per-diem (even though I could) while I was in MEM for the MEC meetings. We usually had a working lunch and one "team" dinner during the week with a PUB event for dinner and a MEM consolidated LEC meeting covering lunch one of the days.
I say, "in theory" because if you drop a 12-day trip for 6 days of ALPA work, you owe 6-days of AFB. We didn't have 6-day trips in our bid pack, so it turned into a huge cluster trying to find a short AFB trip to pay back ALPA. On at least two occasions it was easier to just work a normal trip de-conflicted from the MEC meeting and then do the MEC work for free. Eventually I decided to bid reserve lines to pac-man off R-days for MEC work but as a commuter, reserve wasn't always the best option. Either way, it was a sacrifice.
The bottom line, Mr. fly2ski, is that there's no way anyone does the job of an MEC rep for personal gain. There's none available. It sucks - and people like you make it worse. I know everyone personally on the MEC at this time and you and other's character assassination behind the anonymity of APC is an easy pu$$y move. You (or others) don't like the job they did, fine. Recall them, or be patient and I'll bet many will step down. Why the F would they want to deal with the likes of you. But, to come on a public forum and disparage their efforts beyond simple disagreement in perspective is uncalled for.
07-29-2023, 09:55 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by Spot13
My reps know my position. I told them I did not agree with this TA and know I will support their recall.
Did you stomp your feet like a petulant child with one hand on your hips while you wagged your angry finger at them while you gave them a piece of your mind? Did it feel sooo good to just let them have it?
07-29-2023, 10:05 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by CactusMan
Rock - yep I inadvertently combined you and Adler, my bad on criticizing the anonymous posting. Not chasing any conspiracy theories here. That said, it will be interesting to see what the MEC members do after several of them claimed they’d resign if this sub-par TA failed ratification. I’ve already received one rep response refusing to step down while having set an LEC meeting for (impossible to JS into) Monday afternoon 🤦♂️.
Only point I disagree with is the strike vote. While we all know the gov will never let us strike, the attempt to do so raises attention in the media, to shareholders and to potential customers. I don’t agree with sh!tting on the limited leverage we actually have.
Only point I disagree with is the strike vote. While we all know the gov will never let us strike, the attempt to do so raises attention in the media, to shareholders and to potential customers. I don’t agree with sh!tting on the limited leverage we actually have.
Take a look at how shareholders and customers reacted to the pending UPS strike. Unlike us, the teamsters aren’t under the RLA. They’ve struck before and they’ll probably strike in the future. Their threat to strike is very real. And they were days away just a week ago. I’ll attach a link to their 1 month stock price look back. Certainly shareholders didn’t seem to care about a pending strike. And if UPS was losing customers, it didn’t show up in our bid pack. Our lines have been shrinking for months.
I agree that it’s bad to **** on the limited leverage we have. But it’s possibly worse to think we have leverage we don’t have. Nothing worse than pulling out what you think is your winning card, and having the guy across the table chuckle, pull out his winning hand and take the pot. I’ve asked several times in the last week what leverage people think we have moving into a new round of negotiations. I’d really like to know. I haven’t heard an answer yet.
UPS stock one month look back on Yahoo finance
07-30-2023, 02:06 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by NotOldNotYoung
Thanks. Nobody cares.
Did you stomp your feet like a petulant child with one hand on your hips while you wagged your angry finger at them while you gave them a piece of your mind? Did it feel sooo good to just let them have it?
Did you stomp your feet like a petulant child with one hand on your hips while you wagged your angry finger at them while you gave them a piece of your mind? Did it feel sooo good to just let them have it?
I appreciate the union’s work and recognize a lot of it is thankless. That said, they still have a job to do, and there are consequences when they vote for and try to sell a TA that will negatively impact many pilots here. Sending this TA to the crew force was a colossal waste of time and money. It’s time for new reps that represent the views of the pilot group.
07-30-2023, 03:17 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by Rock
Take a look at how shareholders and customers reacted to the pending UPS strike. Unlike us, the teamsters aren’t under the RLA. They’ve struck before and they’ll probably strike in the future. Their threat to strike is very real. And they were days away just a week ago. I’ll attach a link to their 1 month stock price look back. Certainly shareholders didn’t seem to care about a pending strike. And if UPS was losing customers, it didn’t show up in our bid pack. Our lines have been shrinking for months.
I agree that it’s bad to **** on the limited leverage we have. But it’s possibly worse to think we have leverage we don’t have. Nothing worse than pulling out what you think is your winning card, and having the guy across the table chuckle, pull out his winning hand and take the pot. I’ve asked several times in the last week what leverage people think we have moving into a new round of negotiations. I’d really like to know. I haven’t heard an answer yet.
UPS stock one month look back on Yahoo finance
I agree that it’s bad to **** on the limited leverage we have. But it’s possibly worse to think we have leverage we don’t have. Nothing worse than pulling out what you think is your winning card, and having the guy across the table chuckle, pull out his winning hand and take the pot. I’ve asked several times in the last week what leverage people think we have moving into a new round of negotiations. I’d really like to know. I haven’t heard an answer yet.
UPS stock one month look back on Yahoo finance
If so, from what source ?
If so, how has that changed ?
VR,
DLax
07-30-2023, 07:26 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by DLax85
Do you believe we possessed any leverage in April?
If so, from what source ?
If so, how has that changed ?
VR,
DLax
If so, from what source ?
If so, how has that changed ?
VR,
DLax
This reminds me of the pre-vote argument “yes” voters would make. They’d say if I’m gonna vote NO I have to detail the path forward - exactly what happens and how long til TA2? I’d flip that around and say if you’re gonna vote yes then you must detail the path forward - exactly when/where will the company outsource, when will scope get fixed (easier outside of sec 6 negotiations 😂
, when will the massive retirement wave happen, why won’t the company just flood HSBY into the SWW, how fast will the contract for free 1% wet leasing get signed? Hey, if I’ve gotta predict the future to justify my NO vote then so do you 🤷🏼♂️
07-30-2023, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by NotOldNotYoung
Thanks. Nobody cares.
Did you stomp your feet like a petulant child with one hand on your hips while you wagged your angry finger at them while you gave them a piece of your mind? Did it feel sooo good to just let them have it?
Did you stomp your feet like a petulant child with one hand on your hips while you wagged your angry finger at them while you gave them a piece of your mind? Did it feel sooo good to just let them have it?
If you you can, then the CBA will let you turn me into the MEC/NC and then they will go Pilot Management where RS, DU and PM will terminate me.
You slander me, but your true concerns should be the new CFO who will not only seek to crush us but sue us for saying he has the wrong color tie.
07-30-2023, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DLax85
Do you believe we possessed any leverage in April?
If so, from what source ?
If so, how has that changed ?
VR,
DLax
If so, from what source ?
If so, how has that changed ?
VR,
DLax
You keep mentioning peak like it means something different this year than it meant in 2021 or 2022. If volumes don’t pick up, it will mean we are more overmanned this year than the last few peaks.
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