Now I’ve got someone telling me how I would have voted for a TA that doesn’t even exist. And then informing me of something I already acknowledged. I’m hoping this doesn’t represent the typical IQ of a no voter. I don’t really think it does. Like I said, many no voters on this website want to fire the MEC and NC and start over. I’m waiting with eager anticipation to see who gets elected in their place and what they bring to the table. Anyone want to nominate UnusualAttitude?

 

There’s two aspects during the negotiation - the total amount of peanut butter, and how it’s spread across the bread. I guess you believe there’s no more peanut butter in the jar. OK, that’s your call. Then the fight is gonna just be internally on how it’s spread. That would be unfortunate.

Regardless, it’s time to: ReGroup, ReSurvey, ReFocus, ReNegotiate

Hopefully, we move forward - together!

In Unity,
VR,
DLax

 

In order to get more peanut butter, you need a knife to get it out of the jar (leverage). I’ve asked repeatedly for anyone to explain what our new leverage is going into a new round of negotiations. Something that will convince the company to give up more cash. You must think it exists. What is it?

 

I think we’re just talking in circles

Why did the Company raise their offer in late April/May? What did our NC tell you?

Do you believe his reasoning is still valid?

You don’t seem to want to acknowledge that customers have choice and make competitive business decisions. You don’t want to acknowledge that we compete with other cargo carriers - especially for premium product delivery.

I don’t see an argument you’ll accept

VR,
DLax

 

There is plenty of communication in my block about who wants to run in place the soon to be recalled SBR.

Many of the no voters have been saying for months that the rumored (and later validated) concessions were a non-starter and failing to reach anywhere near industry leading pay rates would lead to a TA that wasn’t capable of being ratified. The MEC and NC decided that Sec 28 in its negotiated form was worth sacrificing job security, QOL, and respectable pay rates. You can make claims about no voters but the message has been clear and it was delivered by nearly 60% of purple pilots. This TA shouldn’t have ever seen the ratification vote but our MEC leaders decided not to listen and later speak down to those who elected them. That’s how this works. Whatever you think doesn’t really matter. All of your whining can’t wind back the clock. This MEC is clearly not capable of representing this pilot group because I believe there was adequate feedback prior to the TA that indicated what was coming wasn’t going to ratifiable. They didn’t listen then and there is no way I would trust them to listen in the future. Time for the NC to go to MEM and requalify on their jets and rejoin the fleet.

No matter how much you liked the TA, you can’t argue that it is very likely that well over 6 in 10 disagreed and felt the TA inadequate at best and more likely plain unacceptable.

 

Airlines have been released to strike without Congress legislating an outcome. The last strike was Spirit in 2010 [1]. Previous to that was American in 1997 [2] [3]. Granted, these are older cases. However, no major airline has run through the entire RLA process in recent history.

[1] http://www3.alpa.org/PressRoom/SpiritPilotsonStrike/tabid/4581/Default.aspx

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/15/business/american-airline-pilots-strike-but-clinton-orders-them-back.html

[3] The strike was short lived. President Clinton ordered them back to work via PEB and the parties came to an agreement before the PEB expired.

 

I didn’t make claims about no voters. I simply pointed out that you seem to have a low IQ. And I’m not interested in winding back the clock. That’s why I keep asking what new leverage we have going forward that will convince the company to cough up more money (don’t worry, I’m not asking you). The final vote on the TA was 57/43. Not sure where your data on “well over 6 in 10” comes from, but I’ve basically given up on trying to get people to stick to actual numbers.

 

So you believe we’ll be allowed to strike?

 

Yes, I have a very low IQ. You aren’t the first to point it out. Not sure how I’ve managed all of these years.

My inference that the actual approval rate of the TA is less than 4 in 10 is based on the fact that there are many still on probation and statistical analysis would show they would have likely voted no overwhelmingly as the most junior blocks all did. You know it’s just a hunch from a low IQ guy.

 

All I’m asking for is what new leverage you think we have going into new negotiations. That’s it. The company signed a TA. What is going to convince them to add more money to a new agreement?