Inconvenient MBCBP Truths
#1
No conspiracy theories, half truths or lies. Just the FACTS.
FACT: “The historical annual return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets, calculated on a compound geometric basis, was 5.70%, net of all fees and expenses, for the 15-year period ended May 31, 2023.”
FACT: “2023: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -2.70%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
FACT: “2022: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -10.8%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
Source; FedEx 2023 10-K report pages 100 & 102.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/665674268/file...-FY23-10-K.pdf
The modeler uses 6.5%. We were told the company thinks they can achieve 7%. But they’ve not been able to do that over at least the past 15 years.
Do you want FedEx to be the fiduciary of your retirement investment? Are 11% contributions enough given this news?
MBCBP = Defined Funding with Variable Results.
FACT: “The historical annual return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets, calculated on a compound geometric basis, was 5.70%, net of all fees and expenses, for the 15-year period ended May 31, 2023.”
FACT: “2023: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -2.70%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
FACT: “2022: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -10.8%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
Source; FedEx 2023 10-K report pages 100 & 102.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/665674268/file...-FY23-10-K.pdf
The modeler uses 6.5%. We were told the company thinks they can achieve 7%. But they’ve not been able to do that over at least the past 15 years.
Do you want FedEx to be the fiduciary of your retirement investment? Are 11% contributions enough given this news?
MBCBP = Defined Funding with Variable Results.
#2
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From: Sitting down, I get up and walk around so it just depends
No conspiracy theories, half truths or lies. Just the FACTS.
FACT: “The historical annual return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets, calculated on a compound geometric basis, was 5.70%, net of all fees and expenses, for the 15-year period ended May 31, 2023.”
FACT: “2023: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -2.70%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
FACT: “2022: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -10.8%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
Source; FedEx 2023 10-K report pages 100 & 102.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/665674268/file...-FY23-10-K.pdf
The modeler uses 6.5%. We were told the company thinks they can achieve 7%. But they’ve not been able to do that over at least the past 15 years.
Do you want FedEx to be the fiduciary of your retirement investment? Are 11% contributions enough given this news?
MBCBP = Defined Funding with Variable Results.
FACT: “The historical annual return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets, calculated on a compound geometric basis, was 5.70%, net of all fees and expenses, for the 15-year period ended May 31, 2023.”
FACT: “2023: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -2.70%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
FACT: “2022: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -10.8%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
Source; FedEx 2023 10-K report pages 100 & 102.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/665674268/file...-FY23-10-K.pdf
The modeler uses 6.5%. We were told the company thinks they can achieve 7%. But they’ve not been able to do that over at least the past 15 years.
Do you want FedEx to be the fiduciary of your retirement investment? Are 11% contributions enough given this news?
MBCBP = Defined Funding with Variable Results.
last I checked. We never asked for this bridge to nowhere. So glad TA1 never passed.
#3
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Joined: Nov 2019
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PD, RS, DU, PM, CS, MEC all wrote about our unprofessionalism and how we are at fault we are that people cannot retire now. Is that the bridge to nowhere? In an earlier post a $4.3 million dollars in stock options is a pretty good bridge to nowhere seems pretty good. Wait until he starts using FedEx Lawyers who already complain pilots make to much, start suing us for making fun of his wrong color tie.
#4
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Joined: Apr 2023
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No conspiracy theories, half truths or lies. Just the FACTS.
FACT: “The historical annual return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets, calculated on a compound geometric basis, was 5.70%, net of all fees and expenses, for the 15-year period ended May 31, 2023.”
FACT: “2023: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -2.70%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
FACT: “2022: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -10.8%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
Source; FedEx 2023 10-K report pages 100 & 102.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/665674268/file...-FY23-10-K.pdf
The modeler uses 6.5%. We were told the company thinks they can achieve 7%. But they’ve not been able to do that over at least the past 15 years.
Do you want FedEx to be the fiduciary of your retirement investment? Are 11% contributions enough given this news?
MBCBP = Defined Funding with Variable Results.
FACT: “The historical annual return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets, calculated on a compound geometric basis, was 5.70%, net of all fees and expenses, for the 15-year period ended May 31, 2023.”
FACT: “2023: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -2.70%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
FACT: “2022: Net of all fees and expenses, the actual rate of return on our U.S. Pension Plan assets was -10.8%, which was lower than our expected rate of return of 6.50%.”
Source; FedEx 2023 10-K report pages 100 & 102.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/665674268/file...-FY23-10-K.pdf
The modeler uses 6.5%. We were told the company thinks they can achieve 7%. But they’ve not been able to do that over at least the past 15 years.
Do you want FedEx to be the fiduciary of your retirement investment? Are 11% contributions enough given this news?
MBCBP = Defined Funding with Variable Results.
#5
However, even the 6.5% goal is above current, forward looking, market forecasts by major investment firms we utilize (Vanguard, Fidelity & Schwab).
If the MBCBP is the way forward,then the solution is to use a lower estimated return (perhaps 5.5%) and require the company to give a larger annual percentage contribution.
11% is insufficient. Fix it NOW! Not in the “next contract”.
In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone),
DLax
ps. I’d prefer Everyone had a choice - even future new hires.
#7
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The MBCBP must make payments to those in retirement, thus the asset mix of 55% equities /45% bonds is not unreasonable. Rather it’s prudent.
However, even the 6.5% goal is above current, forward looking, market forecasts by major investment firms we utilize (Vanguard, Fidelity & Schwab).
If the MBCBP is the way forward,then the solution is to use a lower estimated return (perhaps 5.5%) and require the company to give a larger annual percentage contribution.
11% is insufficient. Fix it NOW! Not in the “next contract”.
In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone),
DLax
ps. I’d prefer Everyone had a choice - even future new hires.
However, even the 6.5% goal is above current, forward looking, market forecasts by major investment firms we utilize (Vanguard, Fidelity & Schwab).
If the MBCBP is the way forward,then the solution is to use a lower estimated return (perhaps 5.5%) and require the company to give a larger annual percentage contribution.
11% is insufficient. Fix it NOW! Not in the “next contract”.
In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone),
DLax
ps. I’d prefer Everyone had a choice - even future new hires.
Also, what do you think about their goal of 8% target ROI?
#8
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Joined: Apr 2018
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Current pilots on the list could opt out at Delta though, so we'll get 18% DC and anything over 330k (in 2023) paid out in cash. Future hires will have their spill cash above 330k (this number increases yearly per the IRS) forced into the MBCBP. According to a poll on APC, 40% of current pilots opted out of the MBCBP at Delta.
#9
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Joined: Apr 2023
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If we stick with our garbage MBCBP design then we must ensure the company is not the fiduciary.
#10
On Reserve
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 176
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If we do have the MBCBP, it would be better for many to increase the B fund first, then have the rest going into MBCBP. This gives more agency to the pilot first, with roth, ability to control investments, and more control over distributions in retirement depending on what the market is doing, more ownership. 15 % B fund first, or why not 20%? I understand that the highest paid pilots will max out pretty fast. It sounds like the MBCBP was designed as a spillover for those without a legacy pension who earn a lot. The May TA is making it into the whole kit and caboodle. It doesn't look like there is a way out of the A plan which would be fair to everyone. Maybe a graduated buyout based on age and longevity, over the course of the contract if the company cannot "afford" this. Our earnings are being eaten by inflation from the bottom, and overtaxed by the government from the top. This is not the company's or union's fault, but given that the company remains profitable, I think we must negotiate better compensation!
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