Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3749222)

Our WB rates were comporable to other's top pay aircraft. That's what I said only becuase I saw the pay rate comparison tables from contract TAs from the 2000s.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3748367)

Someone should be once the pay rate comparison tables for the 2006 and 2011 TAs and it showed our WB rates more or less in line with everyobody else's top pay rates.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3749222)

Yes, UAL has offsets. I wasn't including pbgc offsets (that only affect those who have a pension and are on ltd) and offsets that expire after 3 years. And they did get rid of the other offsets. Nonetheless, that is still more closer to standard than ours. So it doesn't hurt the case I was making.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3748367)

And they get 17% while on LTD. And their LTDs have no offsets.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3748509)

LTD, two of the three legacies have no caps either. Its become industry standard.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3749222)

Ok, the 757. I agree with you there...up to the point that the UAL TA was ratified. Now industry standard is that the 757 is pay banded with the 767-300. This is not a disengenous argument unless you think you can make the arugment that since the 757 paid $120/hour (or whatever it was) 17 years ago that we cannot say it needs to be hiegh now along with other's contractual gains on the 757.

Peronally, I'd like to see a single blended rate with credit for training savings.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 3749409)

I have posted the rates from the legacies contracts and from ours. You said....



I posted the 2006 rate as "For example, DAL top 777 rate in 2006 was $186 while our MD11 rate, soon to be our 777 rate, was $225." And in 2012, part of the 2011 contract and after DAL signed a new contract, I posted "DALPA signed a contract with their top WB for 2012 at $235 per hour. Our rate in March of 2012 was $261 per hour."

So, are you saying that rates that were between $26 to $39 per hour lower are comparable?



Well, first you said...



Then you said...



I have shown that both of those statements are not correct. So yes, it does hurt your argument. Do you even know what the offsets are for DAL, UAL, and us? You got the UAL one wrong in this post. What is the offset and LTD at Fedex?




Not really sure what you are trying to get at here. The 757 being banded with the 767-300 has been industry standard for a long time, so I don't know what the UAL TA has to do with anything. That wasn't something that just happened in 2023.

Originally Posted by Maddog64 (Post 3749667)

Our contract is worth more per pilot than Deltas, We just put too much of the value in the retirement a plan.

Originally Posted by Moosefire (Post 3749761)

Go take a look at the W2 thread... while I acknolwlege there may be some outliers there.

I do know this all my best friends are at the big 3, at the same longevity (6-7 years), and they're all out earning me. Unscientific, but we compare notes and I know I'm far behind.

Originally Posted by Maddog64 (Post 3749801)

And the cost to increase the pension was huge. That doesn't show up in your W2.

Originally Posted by Nightflyer (Post 3749812)

What about the savings to the company from sunsetting the A plan?

No one seems to want to talk about that.