Anomjnom12

I look at it this way; he/she could have much, much more if they ‘fixed’ the pension in previous contract negotiations. lack of foresight for a comfortable retirement.

Yuko

Salient point

It is fascinating how silent most of the leaders/creators of the sm have become. The chat is extremely distant from its stated purpose to educate, not point fingers and to move forward. That motto still remains but I don’t see the energy to promote that purpose.

May is mental health awareness, get your heal on where and when you can!

JustInFacts

Here is a little history for you just in case you weren't informed. In 2006, the contract that was signed didn't have rates that exceeded the FAE cap until the end of that contract, and those rates barely exceeded it. Those rates were also on the A380. Those are the same rates that some on here like to point to as industry leading, though they became that way due to bankruptcies at other airlines.

The 2011 contract was simply an extension while waiting for the FAA to come up with part 117. Sort of like the extensions that UPS took during COVID.

During the 2015 contract, the company was willing to increase the FAE, however, only if we sunset it for new hires. WE said no. Maybe that was a mistake based on the number of people on here that are fine with getting rid of the pension.

If you wanted to get rid of the pension in order to get higher rates, fine. Maybe we should just switch to a DC plan with cash over cap. All of those pilots about to retire should have planned better. All of those pilot with less than 5 years on property aren't vested, and will have nothing in the pension. They shouldn't have come to a place that had a pension because they are so fragile and can go away instantly. SMH!!!

Anomjnom12

2015 sounds a lot like current negotiations...just kicked the can down the road by a few years. and you guys didn't vote anything down in 2015, the NC said 'yes sir' and gave the company the salute and left the pension as is because there was no backbone to push back.

Westerner

A TA in 2015 that sunset the pension would most likely not have been ratified, just like it was voted down in 2023. Big leap of faith to think it would have been a sure thing in 2015 had the union pushed for it. The pilot group as a whole is much smarter than the individual posts on here and isn't going to give away a pension for a discount.

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FedUpWilson318

The stated purpose of the SM is great in print. In reality, the SM seems to be a cesspool of bitter, soon to retire yes voters, plus a few sycophants. Opposing viewpoints are rapidly and repeatedly shot down and ridiculed despite lip service being paid to curbing that behavior. The "adults" who tried to keep the conversation from drifting away from the stated purpose seem to have mostly gone silent. To be fair, the same angry pilots on SM shouting down opposing viewpoints are treated similarly when they try to speak up on Jetfliers. We are truly our own worst enemy in the negotiations. I don't know how the current MEC/Chair/NC is going to get us to pull together and move forward, but I hope they have more ideas than the previous regime.

jackryan

But does the leader of JF try to get people NOQ’d, reprimanded for opposing views, fiiiiirrreeeeed?

…. didn’t think so.

It could be a case study on “how to destroy employee group culture and unity in a matter of weeks”

plzdontfireme

I believe that was her "assigned task" and it looks like she did it well for a little while at least. Hope that promotion pays her well enough to forget about the dignity she's never getting back.

And the angry pilots who go shout down people on SM because they are tired of being corrected for saying idiotic ******* on JF are the problem on both platforms.

Stan446

So exactly like this forum.

M77CA

The SM collective is the best thing to happen to FedEx express since captain PM took the rains of this ship with a bunch of young misgided deck hands.