Merle Haggard

This is moron logic. The compensation portions of our contract with a profitable company haven't got a damn thing to do with their decisions about routes, schedules, number of flights, number of airplanes, etc.

Get that out of your tiny head. The company will/would/does manage those things the same way regardless of our contract. The only exception to that is scope. See what's happening here? The only issue that has anything to do with your premise was one of, if not the biggest problem with TA1. SCOPE is the only contract area that can have a material effect on staffing and it was completely lacking in TA1. You are arguing with yourself and don't even know it.

The rest of the contract is not at all connected to the company's pilot needs. Our contract DOES NOT DRIVE THOSE DECISIONS!!!

FedUpWilson318

That money was never yours. But if you want to talk about who cost you TA1, look squarely at the MEC/NC who brought it to you. The MEC/NC and yes voters were hoping to get a decent bump in pension at ANY cost. Which included industry and inflation lagging pay, laughable APRP, QOL gives, weak(er) scope, etc. If TA1 had been ANYWHERE close to fair to any pilots remaining for the NEXT round of negotiations, it would have passed. Instead you/they tried to make up for 20 years of failed attempts to raise the pension on the backs of your fellow pilots.

Anthrax

The most pressing matter concerning the TA had to do with a member of the previous NC retiring. The company used this to their advantage, and the NC pushed a laughable TA onto the membership so that this dude could get a bump in retirement. Had the NC taken a pass on the company’s last proposal, the dates set forth for further negotiations would have been past his retirement date, hence no bump. ultimately, he never got that bump, and the NC got flushed.

and yet guys like Stan still want to blame the NO voters, when blame rests solely with the previous NC. When you see these dudes at AOC, thank them.

The previous NC agreed on one too many concessions. And while they should have agreed on none, the TA would have ratified with little if any change in scope.

Greed.
the company, the previous NC, and Stan.

and Rock, yes, it’s true, I am reliable, stale and stagnant, just like your mom.

peace.

Sluggo_63

Isn’t JG older than PM is? Like, isn’t JG 63+?

Anthrax

I’m not talking about PM.

Sluggo_63

I know you weren’t. But you were intimating that NC members close to retirement will negotiate a CBA that is overly beneficial to their own retirement. So, we got a crappy TA because a NC member (PW) was close to retirement and that was a problem. But there’s no problem now with the chairman of the NC being as close (or closer) to retirement than PW was?

Anthrax

I implied no such thing. I don’t believe this is a universal truth. You can infer whatever you like. It became a problem because the previous NC was short sighted and ignorant of the union’s positions, among other things.

Idaho

I regularly encounter admitted 'yes' voters who are fixated on the A plan bump which they would have recieved in TA 1, most of whom have 20+ years on property. It's the sole reason driving their vote, becasue a pension bump has never happened before! It's a miracle! Give praise! They are completely fixated and cannot hear anything else, kind o like tunnel vision where a crew is so fixated on a problem they run out of gas and crash.

Hacker15e

Is that the amount you would have lost if you'd been working for the rates in TA1 compared to the current industry-standard rates created by the Delta, American, United, and Southwest contracts that have been signed in the last two years?

SkabbySnakey

Allowing your selfishness to blind you into voting yes on a doomed TA cost you (and everyone else) even more. Then instead of opening your eyes to reality, you sought haven in the “safety” of the Screaming Minority WhatsApp group, only to get played like a fiddle by the founder who created it to divide this pilot group even further in order to show her loyalty to management so that she could secure a management promotion…

Placing your trust in her and her minions ended up costing all of us even more.

“Us 20yr pilots don’t need the ship anymore, let’s crash it into the rocks, loot it, and let the new pilots deal with the wreckage next cycle”