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Old 07-08-2025 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
Not true....Covid was 2020-2022. Guys flew their butts off from China bringing medical stuff back. MD11's had 180K loads all during negotiations and guys whoring themselves out.
Guys did that assuming the company wouldn't hand us over a $heet sandwich after we ferried the jets that made them $BILLIONS$. The time to open Section 2 was during the covid deluge. Jetlbue did it in 2021. That's why they have Delta pay rates and haven't made a dollar since 2019. But PM CN and the handshake horse$heet games they played were just more in the stack of nonsense.

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Old 07-08-2025 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TsimShaTsui
Hopefully that exchange is in writing to show the FDXNMB should the need arise.
It is.

He actually wanted to add Mesa as a comparable too because they were thinking of 767 ops at the time.

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Old 07-08-2025 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
The time to open Section 2 was during the covid deluge.
-Bubs
Open the definitions section??
Bold move Cotton. 🤣
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Old 07-08-2025 | 02:00 PM
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Guys did that assuming the company wouldn't hand us over a $heet sandwich after we ferried the jets that made them $BILLIONS$. The time to open Section 2 was during the covid deluge. Jetlbue did it in 2021. That's why they have Delta pay rates and haven't made a dollar since 2019. But PM CN and the handshake horse$heet games they played were just more in the stack of nonsense.

-Bubs

Bubs guess they did not know who they were up against. They rolled over when we should have fought. Rookie moves.

maybe Pat took the deal because the company told him the Postal was going away and the extra flying was drying up. No more leverage.
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Old 07-09-2025 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
There are legal things we can do as a group that we aren’t doing. Why haven’t we hired a PR firm to put out press releases about last week’s negotiations? I doubt anyone on Wall Street even knows we’re in negotiations. Atlas did this and it forced JD to spend a few minutes discussing it every earnings call. Inefficiencies are about to drastically rise throughout the company due to the company being cheap and short staffing everything from our reserves to ramp workers in GEG. We need to speak up as a group.
Wall Street doesn’t care about press releases unless they directly impact profitability. Investors want rising stock prices and that typically doesn’t align with paying labor more. Look at UPS stock since they signed a massive contract with the Teamsters. Now they’re laying off 20,000 employees and restructuring their network. Why? Because higher labor costs and low to flat parcel volume don’t mix.
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Old 07-09-2025 | 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Moneybags
Wall Street doesn’t care about press releases unless they directly impact profitability. Investors want rising stock prices and that typically doesn’t align with paying labor more. Look at UPS stock since they signed a massive contract with the Teamsters. Now they’re laying off 20,000 employees and restructuring their network. Why? Because higher labor costs and low to flat parcel volume don’t mix.
Wall Street does care about the operation falling apart because irritated customers follow. That’s happening right now with slashed reserves and other employees being short staffed. Labor problems coincide with inefficiencies and stock prices are affected. We want them discussing us and they will if we speak up. We have to care before others will.
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Old 07-09-2025 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Open the definitions section??
Bold move Cotton. 🤣
Obviously a cornerstone section of the contract.
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Old 07-09-2025 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
Wall Street does care about the operation falling apart because irritated customers follow. That’s happening right now with slashed reserves and other employees being short staffed. Labor problems coincide with inefficiencies and stock prices are affected. We want them discussing us and they will if we speak up. We have to care before others will.
Wall St doesn't care about labor negotiations.
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Old 07-09-2025 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
Wall Street does care about the operation falling apart because irritated customers follow. That’s happening right now with slashed reserves and other employees being short staffed. Labor problems coincide with inefficiencies and stock prices are affected. We want them discussing us and they will if we speak up. We have to care before others will.
Our own company doesn’t care about irritated customers or the operation these days, you think Wall Street will?
99% of the time I use our service in some way I come away from the experience wondering how TF we make money.
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Old 07-09-2025 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Our own company doesn’t care about irritated customers or the operation these days, you think Wall Street will?
99% of the time I use our service in some way I come away from the experience wondering how TF we make money.
Absolutely. It takes time to build a brand and less time to destroy it. Every time a 757 flight gets cancelled due to fatigue because JD eliminated reserves and added a ton of extra legs just so he can slash our pay, an airplane full of customers gets closer to FedUp. Ultimately, the destruction of our brand matters and we could shed light on it.
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