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08-09-2025 | 04:45 AM
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08-09-2025 | 04:54 AM
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I would like to add a little context. We are negotiating with a company that has been negotiating with itself for well over 20 years. They sat down at the table and gave the talking points to themselves (FedEx ALPA), and FedEx ALPA attempted to scare everyone into voting yes. Their biggest and most successful selling points have always been a big payoff to those near retirement. And that is why the mantra of “what are you willing to give up for that” has always been a part of this place.
The funny thing is, even when we started negotiations early in 2021, the industry leading pay our “MEC” promised us wasn’t promised by them. It was promised by their company handlers. They didn’t have the foresight to see how far off they would be. And yet they persist. FedEx pilots had sat on top of their brothers and sisters so long they couldn’t imagine a world where the industry righted itself. And then the industry proved FedEx pilots had been working for a fraction of what they were worth and **** work rules for decades. And when you work for a company that’d never do that, you lose decades of industry standard language to protect you. But at least you had W-2’s to lord over furloughed friends heads.
At this point, unfortunately, we are in a position where we have to teach FedEx how to have a union. That is never an easy process. But since they haven’t had to learn until now. Game on.
The funny thing is, even when we started negotiations early in 2021, the industry leading pay our “MEC” promised us wasn’t promised by them. It was promised by their company handlers. They didn’t have the foresight to see how far off they would be. And yet they persist. FedEx pilots had sat on top of their brothers and sisters so long they couldn’t imagine a world where the industry righted itself. And then the industry proved FedEx pilots had been working for a fraction of what they were worth and **** work rules for decades. And when you work for a company that’d never do that, you lose decades of industry standard language to protect you. But at least you had W-2’s to lord over furloughed friends heads.
At this point, unfortunately, we are in a position where we have to teach FedEx how to have a union. That is never an easy process. But since they haven’t had to learn until now. Game on.
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08-09-2025 | 08:38 AM
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I would like to add a little context. We are negotiating with a company that has been negotiating with itself for well over 20 years. They sat down at the table and gave the talking points to themselves (FedEx ALPA), and FedEx ALPA attempted to scare everyone into voting yes. Their biggest and most successful selling points have always been a big payoff to those near retirement. And that is why the mantra of “what are you willing to give up for that” has always been a part of this place.
The funny thing is, even when we started negotiations early in 2021, the industry leading pay our “MEC” promised us wasn’t promised by them. It was promised by their company handlers. They didn’t have the foresight to see how far off they would be. And yet they persist. FedEx pilots had sat on top of their brothers and sisters so long they couldn’t imagine a world where the industry righted itself. And then the industry proved FedEx pilots had been working for a fraction of what they were worth and **** work rules for decades. And when you work for a company that’d never do that, you lose decades of industry standard language to protect you. But at least you had W-2’s to lord over furloughed friends heads.
At this point, unfortunately, we are in a position where we have to teach FedEx how to have a union. That is never an easy process. But since they haven’t had to learn until now. Game on.
The funny thing is, even when we started negotiations early in 2021, the industry leading pay our “MEC” promised us wasn’t promised by them. It was promised by their company handlers. They didn’t have the foresight to see how far off they would be. And yet they persist. FedEx pilots had sat on top of their brothers and sisters so long they couldn’t imagine a world where the industry righted itself. And then the industry proved FedEx pilots had been working for a fraction of what they were worth and **** work rules for decades. And when you work for a company that’d never do that, you lose decades of industry standard language to protect you. But at least you had W-2’s to lord over furloughed friends heads.
At this point, unfortunately, we are in a position where we have to teach FedEx how to have a union. That is never an easy process. But since they haven’t had to learn until now. Game on.
When it comes to teaching us how to be a union, of all the DP's that are voluntarily picked up, 80% of those are by pilots that were not able to vote on contract 2015. Is that teaching us how to be a union?
08-09-2025 | 08:40 AM
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We're rooting for you too. Hopefully this time you don't cave to another less than industry leading contract extension. It's been over a year without the threat of the teamster contract hanging over your negotiations, so you should have something very soon.
08-09-2025 | 03:39 PM
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So, here is some more added context. Our current negotiating chairman was a big part, if not leading in 3 of our 4 contracts. So saying that the company has only been negotiating with themselves is slamming our current NC. Yeah, that's unity for you.
When it comes to teaching us how to be a union, of all the DP's that are voluntarily picked up, 80% of those are by pilots that were not able to vote on contract 2015. Is that teaching us how to be a union?
When it comes to teaching us how to be a union, of all the DP's that are voluntarily picked up, 80% of those are by pilots that were not able to vote on contract 2015. Is that teaching us how to be a union?
And as for the independent contractors, you will always have those. It’s very unfortunate and I could say a lot of things. But it’s very interesting that it is brought up so frequently. If I were the company I would spend a lot of time talking about all of the pilots working DP’s and draft. That would help them to divide us. I’m not saying people who bring that up are the company. I’m just saying they are dumb.
08-09-2025 | 03:41 PM
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I guess you gotta do what you can to make yourself feel better about that horrible decision.
08-09-2025 | 04:13 PM
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The funny thing about this post. Our NC Chair is holding the line. And if he doesn’t he will be fired. Maybe that’s a little different than before. It helps to have strength behind you.
And as for the independent contractors, you will always have those. It’s very unfortunate and I could say a lot of things. But it’s very interesting that it is brought up so frequently. If I were the company I would spend a lot of time talking about all of the pilots working DP’s and draft. That would help them to divide us. I’m not saying people who bring that up are the company. I’m just saying they are dumb.
And as for the independent contractors, you will always have those. It’s very unfortunate and I could say a lot of things. But it’s very interesting that it is brought up so frequently. If I were the company I would spend a lot of time talking about all of the pilots working DP’s and draft. That would help them to divide us. I’m not saying people who bring that up are the company. I’m just saying they are dumb.
08-09-2025 | 04:13 PM
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He's holding 98CH months with a stipend because he was an LCA while the rest of us are flying reduced BLGs.
08-09-2025 | 04:24 PM
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You clearly haven’t heard the old saying “better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.” Those are some words you should learn, and learn to live by.
08-09-2025 | 04:34 PM
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