98? who's getting paid 98? John getting around 103 and the other 4 members of his committee getting 100 for doing....pretty much nothing? How's the ROI looking on that? Let's see over 500ch a month for some 16 months now and virtually zero accomplishments. Yah John!

Even with the 3 FOs on the committee that's probably well over $2.4million when you consider the social security and stuff paid in addition.

 

You know the MEC is doing a great job when the screaming minority is running out of things to attack them with and trying to make a stink about FPL is the only thing they got left.

what does reducing those hours do for the pilot group? Oh yeah, absolutely nothing positive and only potential negatives.

98, 100, 103, I honestly don’t care enough right now to dig out the ole CBA. Cutting that isn’t going to do any good so why spend energy on it? Do you think cutting it will get a better deal? I don’t think you want them to be incentivized to send out a TA that might not ratify, cutting their pay would put that risk into the equation.

 

Shack! .

 

Who is screaming? Do we now just not challenge ourselves as a union to be better than the company? Or is just lockstep agreement with what the current MEC doing the only path.

 

The focus on prior administration is a red herring. That’s done, past, over, finished…..the people driving the union bus now are responsible for what they do….right now. They are the ones charting the course of action and getting paid the 98 hours a month. Our expectation for them should be firmly rooted in current events and results. No offering up any justifications under the title of “Well what about those guys before that gave us…..” They ran for the position….they raised their hands to be responsible. Now….you own it. If it resembles a Drunken Lumberjack then what anyone did before doesn’t matter.

 

You have truly oversimplified things. This is like saying that the Stage 4 cancer that your previous doctor missed for five years is 100% the responsibility of the new doctor that diagnosed it last week.

 

100% wrong. Why are we here in the first place? Its because of the “people driving the union bus” directly to the retirement home that none of us really wanted to go to

 

The people who want the union to go back to “the good ole days,” a time when only the interests of certain pilots and the company were advanced in negotiations and anything that didn’t poll in a survey as a high priority for negotiations meant “make concessions here, they clearly don’t want to keep it anymore” when it really meant “we’re ok with it, don’t change it, fix the stuff that polled highest on negotiation priorities.” They are also the people who can’t find a legitimate gripe with the MEC/NC negotiating for the good of all pilots instead of just their small demographic, so they find something like FPL to attack them with. Those are the screamers.

If you want lock-step, feel free to fall-in for the march towards a CBA that benefits all pilots instead of copper parachute CBA for those about to retire at the expense of everyone else.

The focus on FPL is 1000 times more a red herring than the focus on how low the previous administration anchored. The damage from the previous administration is costing billions that the company gets to hold. FPL is MAYBE a few million dollars that goes towards those negotiating aggressively on your behalf.

You’re trying to shift hatred away from the company and point it towards the current MEC/NC which as of this moment hasn’t tried to bring or sell you an industry-worst TA like the last MEC/NC so aggressively did.

Remember when they threatened furloughs within months if it didn’t pass? They didn’t even understand the staffing/training situation of this company. Or maybe they did and they were willing to say anything to get it to pass.

Would you tell your new lawyers, advocating for a higher settlement than the botched settlement that your old lawyer got you, that they should take a pay cut because you did? How do you think they would represent you if you cut their pay?

So you need to ask yourself, who is your enemy? The company or your negotiating committee? The arguments you present suggest that you’re a management shill or plant. Management is likely ramping up their efforts to discredit and de-fang the current NC/MEC as much as they can, I wouldn’t be shocked if you were a part of that.

 

FPL isn’t the issue. That’s fine. My point is simply any evaluation of current events and consequences with regard to our union fall directly on the people running our union currently. Whether you agree with asking to be released to arbitration…or not. If you agree with writing a correspondence on our union’s position on management…or not. Whether you agree with the status of our current negotiating position….or not. All of those belong to the guys in charge now. Entirely too much focus on what was…..that is history.


To use the cancer example. If you had stage 4 cancer that got missed for 5 years….so you switched doctor's…and the new doctor was not giving you the service you felt you needed. You wouldn’t accept hearing “well yeah but your last doctor didn’t catch that for 5 years” …so I’m doing just fine. You would expect and demand his expertise and leadership NOW.

 

Most of the patients are happy with the new doctor. He is working all the possible angles to bring the patients back to health so they can enjoy a solid quality of life NOW and in retirement. ALL IN!

Do you believe the NC is lying when JG said 90%+ of the emails, comments have been positive to the NC’s direction (a ratifies TA that does nut carve out QOL for pay rate for retirement)?