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09-19-2025 | 08:03 AM
#31
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No we aren’t on strike and never will be, but….
Definition:
Scabs are seen by workers as “traitors” who are taking their jobs/livelihoods and undermine the union’s efforts to secure better wages and working conditions…
If we can’t strike because we will never be released… do you think a drafting pilot doesn’t meet the other parameters of a SCAB?
Definition:
Scabs are seen by workers as “traitors” who are taking their jobs/livelihoods and undermine the union’s efforts to secure better wages and working conditions…
If we can’t strike because we will never be released… do you think a drafting pilot doesn’t meet the other parameters of a SCAB?
For union (and APC) purposes the S word means one very specific thing, crossing a union-designated picket line to work.
To use it for anything else dilutes the meaning. If you're already a "scab" for every little thing, CBA legal OT pickup, regional flying, etc why bother honoring an actual strike?
09-19-2025 | 08:32 AM
#32
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NO!
For union (and APC) purposes the S word means one very specific thing, crossing a union-designated picket line to work.
To use it for anything else dilutes the meaning. If you're already a "scab" for every little thing, CBA legal OT pickup, regional flying, etc why bother honoring an actual strike?
For union (and APC) purposes the S word means one very specific thing, crossing a union-designated picket line to work.
To use it for anything else dilutes the meaning. If you're already a "scab" for every little thing, CBA legal OT pickup, regional flying, etc why bother honoring an actual strike?
THANK YOU. We have two very special groups here at FedEx. The senior “pull up the ladder and screw everyone else” crowd, and the junior “first airline riled up by my buds” crowd. Both ignorant, caustic, and a detriment to negotiations in their own way.
09-19-2025 | 01:01 PM
#33
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One can argue the technicalities of the word scab all day. The landscape has changed completely in RLA regulated industries to one that has essentially eliminated the strike as a tool and thus has eliminated the traditional scab in those industries.
Maybe it's time to redefine it as one who crosses a picket line to perform struck work or in RLA regulated industries, performs extra or voluntary work after a contract amendable date (or something to that effect).
It's time to get with the times. Some of our cards have been taken. There's no point in arguing which ones they were.
Maybe it's time to redefine it as one who crosses a picket line to perform struck work or in RLA regulated industries, performs extra or voluntary work after a contract amendable date (or something to that effect).
It's time to get with the times. Some of our cards have been taken. There's no point in arguing which ones they were.
09-19-2025 | 03:18 PM
#34
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No we aren’t on strike and never will be, but….
Definition:
Scabs are seen by workers as “traitors” who are taking their jobs/livelihoods and undermine the union’s efforts to secure better wages and working conditions…
If we can’t strike because we will never be released… do you think a drafting pilot doesn’t meet the other parameters of a SCAB?
Definition:
Scabs are seen by workers as “traitors” who are taking their jobs/livelihoods and undermine the union’s efforts to secure better wages and working conditions…
If we can’t strike because we will never be released… do you think a drafting pilot doesn’t meet the other parameters of a SCAB?
09-19-2025 | 10:23 PM
#35
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
One can argue the technicalities of the word scab all day. The landscape has changed completely in RLA regulated industries to one that has essentially eliminated the strike as a tool and thus has eliminated the traditional scab in those industries.
Maybe it's time to redefine it as one who crosses a picket line to perform struck work or in RLA regulated industries, performs extra or voluntary work after a contract amendable date (or something to that effect).
It's time to get with the times. Some of our cards have been taken. There's no point in arguing which ones they were.
Maybe it's time to redefine it as one who crosses a picket line to perform struck work or in RLA regulated industries, performs extra or voluntary work after a contract amendable date (or something to that effect).
It's time to get with the times. Some of our cards have been taken. There's no point in arguing which ones they were.
So even movement in the direction of a strike can have an impact on the company via customer perception. Yes I know FDX customers are different.
Problem with redefining "scab" is that now you're cherry-picking the CBA... basically saying that some CBA provisions are not OK to utilize.
Also it would totally illegal for the union to try to tell people to change the status quo.
09-20-2025 | 03:52 AM
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My shop managed to really light a fire under the company in 2022 just by voting close to 99% in favor of a strike... the company did not expect that, it made the local media, and the union leveraged it publicly. Had a contract in a few months, went from solid second tier to ballpark big four (same rates, some work still to do on rules).
So even movement in the direction of a strike can have an impact on the company via customer perception. Yes I know FDX customers are different.
Problem with redefining "scab" is that now you're cherry-picking the CBA... basically saying that some CBA provisions are not OK to utilize.
Also it would totally illegal for the union to try to tell people to change the status quo.
So even movement in the direction of a strike can have an impact on the company via customer perception. Yes I know FDX customers are different.
Problem with redefining "scab" is that now you're cherry-picking the CBA... basically saying that some CBA provisions are not OK to utilize.
Also it would totally illegal for the union to try to tell people to change the status quo.
09-20-2025 | 05:44 AM
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One can argue the technicalities of the word scab all day. The landscape has changed completely in RLA regulated industries to one that has essentially eliminated the strike as a tool and thus has eliminated the traditional scab in those industries.
Maybe it's time to redefine it as one who crosses a picket line to perform struck work or in RLA regulated industries, performs extra or voluntary work after a contract amendable date (or something to that effect).
It's time to get with the times. Some of our cards have been taken. There's no point in arguing which ones they were.
Maybe it's time to redefine it as one who crosses a picket line to perform struck work or in RLA regulated industries, performs extra or voluntary work after a contract amendable date (or something to that effect).
It's time to get with the times. Some of our cards have been taken. There's no point in arguing which ones they were.
Couldn't agree more.. at the end of the day we're just dancing around actual accountability with colorful semantics and connotations.
We all know how castrated the union is.. stack on top of that their unwillingness to police their own and you have to start asking yourself why we even bother.
Zero leadership and zero accountability are hallmarks of internal rot. Fundamental changes required.
09-20-2025 | 06:52 AM
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Couldn't agree more.. at the end of the day we're just dancing around actual accountability with colorful semantics and connotations.
We all know how castrated the union is.. stack on top of that their unwillingness to police their own and you have to start asking yourself why we even bother.
Zero leadership and zero accountability are hallmarks of internal rot. Fundamental changes required.
We all know how castrated the union is.. stack on top of that their unwillingness to police their own and you have to start asking yourself why we even bother.
Zero leadership and zero accountability are hallmarks of internal rot. Fundamental changes required.
09-20-2025 | 07:09 AM
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