Negotiations Finally
10-28-2025 | 01:18 PM
#101
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No need to wait, just look at the November bid packs. It doesn't count towards 4a2bc, yet they were still buying up lines to 76 hours. Some pilots were getting 15+ hours of buy up before we exited 4a2bc. This, while they were constrained by the limit on carryover and CIC hours. The company could have easily increased their reserves and had average BLG in the 86-90 hour range and argued that the business demands of peak require different manning models than the rest of the year. That was the intent of excluding those months from the SAM for a 4a2bc exit.
10-28-2025 | 01:41 PM
#102
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From: P-3C
Look at the open time in the 77. They’re calling for DRAFT for 14 day trips. There’s a staffing problem here. And guys are doing everything they can to help the company save the day. Guys climbing over bodies to get that 150% which gets then almost close to the straight widebody pay at a Legacy.
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10-28-2025 | 01:59 PM
#103
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The company was wrecking the system to "prove" their point. Limiting or eliminating ULD movement flights (since they counted against the SAM) but a massive disparity in ULD positions system wide because of it. A problem the Company saved with outsourcing the ULD movement to third parties, or just palletizing freight.
10-28-2025 | 02:01 PM
#104
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But where in the contract does it say they can't do that? We don't have staffing levels in our CBA, so did they "manipulate" them, or change them. Yea they did. But not in a way that violated the CBA, at least not where anyone has said "CBA Section X.x.X.x" was violated. Marty even said, they lowered the amount of Reserves and increased the amount of line pilots, which brings the hours down. If that wasn't allowed, I think they would have stated that in the grievance itself.
It seems the issue was in definitions, not the general thrust of the grievance or 4.a.2.c itself, until it was unilaterally negotiated away.
10-29-2025 | 03:14 AM
#105
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The company/management is BEGGING crew resources scheduling to FIND pilots to fly the open time today. Overstaffed? I think not. More company SHELL games. Think about that. Begging for help. I’m begging for a TA. Show me the money!
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10-29-2025 | 04:16 AM
#106
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10-29-2025 | 07:49 AM
#108
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Are you still buying we're 700 overstaffed?
Source is probably open time and nonstop phone calls from crew scheds. I've gotten a dozen this week. Not exactly definitive, but telling.
Which brings up a (ANOTHER!) serious shortcoming with FDX ALPA. The company clearly goes out of its way to keep us from having insight on how the daily operations going. It was pretty bad before, but when we let the USPS contract go, they took away the ability to see the planned city pairings beyond the bidpack. At other airlines you can see a status of daily planned flights vs what was actually executed. I'd love to see our union put together something similar with the data that we have in hand (that the company can't hide from us). Between bidpacks and open time, we can gather planned flights. And between flight status and commercial apps we could source the outcome of all those flights. I'm not smart enough to do it, but we have the builders of FxCal, BidX, and Acrobid on our team. I'm sure with a little $$ and motivation we could have a pretty good idea of operational status.
Source is probably open time and nonstop phone calls from crew scheds. I've gotten a dozen this week. Not exactly definitive, but telling.
Which brings up a (ANOTHER!) serious shortcoming with FDX ALPA. The company clearly goes out of its way to keep us from having insight on how the daily operations going. It was pretty bad before, but when we let the USPS contract go, they took away the ability to see the planned city pairings beyond the bidpack. At other airlines you can see a status of daily planned flights vs what was actually executed. I'd love to see our union put together something similar with the data that we have in hand (that the company can't hide from us). Between bidpacks and open time, we can gather planned flights. And between flight status and commercial apps we could source the outcome of all those flights. I'm not smart enough to do it, but we have the builders of FxCal, BidX, and Acrobid on our team. I'm sure with a little $$ and motivation we could have a pretty good idea of operational status.
10-29-2025 | 09:06 AM
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What will you do with this data? Airlines have to build a schedule out 9 months so people can buy tickets. FedEx is changing the gauge and routing daily, totally different model from pax carriers.
They claimed we were 700 pilots overmanned 2.5 years ago. How many have retired or left? Also misaligned in different seats and aircraft.
They claimed we were 700 pilots overmanned 2.5 years ago. How many have retired or left? Also misaligned in different seats and aircraft.
10-29-2025 | 09:20 AM
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I'm not sure what we'd do with the info. But I think it's helpful to know the health of your company's planned operations. Just like it's helpful to know if scheduling is following the contract with DRAFT call order, etc.
Dozens of cancelations due to WX is one thing, dozens CX due to lack of staffing in an "overstaffed" 4.a.2.FU timeframe is something else entirely.
It may also help ICs make more union supporting decisions, but I wouldn't count on it.
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