With all due respect, TC coming out against the TA hasn’t saved us from anything. It heavily influenced the vote, that’s true, but his fear mongering has resulted in us making $150/hr less than top legacy pay, losing hundreds of thousands of dollars along the way, hundreds of pilots that helped build the company left with no pension increase, while the company saves $70mill+/month and the Tri-Color network is implemented and growing, especially white, our least favorite color. The company is NEVER going to cave on scope like the scope obsessed among us want so you can die on that hill while they implement as much white network as they want, or you can move on and negotiate the $$ sections and get something for all of us. NOTHING in our current contract, or the failed TA is preventing what is happening in scope RIGHT NOW. It cracks me up when those among us act like TC helped us avoid some calamity in scope, he didn’t.

 

You're blaming the messenger (TC) instead of the real culprits: the company, the previous Negotiating Committee and Master Executive Council, and ALPA National, who allowed wet-leasing to expand, weakening our already weak scope. Whose side are you actually on?

Last week's NC email stated they have a "solid framework for a Section 1 TA that reflects the priorities established by the NC, Scope Committee, and the MEC." We don't yet know the details until it's in writing, but it already sounds like more progress on scope than anything you and the SM were willing to fight for in TA1 and TA2.

 

Oh no. There are SEVERAL who claim to know EXACTLY what we've "capitulated" to. Just ask them. They won't tell you. But they know.

 

The good news is that TC is still commenting and influencing the rapidly shrinking angry group. He just won't go away.

 

didn’t he retire a while back after not flying the line for a long time? Dude needs a hobby

 

He did. Yet, he still shows up for events and even Family Day...that the angrys said we shouldn't attend.

 

[QUOTE=KC10 FATboy;4004246]You're blaming the messenger (TC) instead of the real culprits: the company, the previous Negotiating Committee and Master Executive Council, and ALPA National, who allowed wet-leasing to expand, weakening our already weak scope. Whose side are you actually on?

Whose side am I on?

I’m on the side that delivers a ratifiable, durable, and lucrative contract—one that protects our careers, allows the company to grow, and gives pilots real long-term wealth-building opportunities with stability.

This isn’t about choosing the radical faction, the company line, or whatever narrative is loudest on social media. It’s about recognizing that every stakeholder has a role in getting us a good agreement.

The last TA didn’t fail because of one villain. There were multiple failure points:

• Company decisions that created real concerns about fleet plans and network strategy.

• Union leadership mistakes in messaging, tone, and timing.

• The JF echo chamber spreading worst-case rumors before details were fully understood, led by TC.

• Internal political agendas that focused on winning arguments instead of getting a deal we could pass.

If we want a strong contract this time, we have to learn from all of that—not pretend only one side was wrong.

And let’s be honest: there are a few voices who are so dug in politically that they will try to shoot down any agreement, regardless of its merits, I fully expect a 7-5 vote by the MEC NO MATTER the TA content. That kind of rhetoric may feel satisfying, but it doesn’t help us evaluate the actual contract in front of us. We owe it to ourselves to read the details, ask real questions, and vote based on facts—not factional noise.

As someone who’s spent decades here and wants to finish a long career with this airline, my priority is simple:

Protect the pilots, keep the company healthy, and get a lucrative contract we can pass.

That takes honest information, realistic expectations, and unity when the final product shows up. Anything else just gives leverage away and keeps us stuck where we are, falling further behind our peers while the company banks $70M+/month.

 

It is unbelievable that there are still pilots at FedEx with this mentality. Number two of three priorities is “keep the company healthy”. May have made sense in the 70s. Maybe. Today it is foolishness and delusion at best.

 

Yea Merle drive the company into the ground, hope we lose money. That will work out well for you. Delusional tough guy.

 

This is absolutely correct. Raj, or maybe Dietrich next, or even somebody worse may very well murder the company no matter what is in our contract. Your mindset needs to be about getting everything you can while it's still there to get. Not to mention, in comparison to other airlines, changes in our contract amount to no more than budget dust in the larger enterprise.