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Old 06-18-2015, 09:55 AM
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Do the math on retirement alone.
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:57 AM
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Not trying to cold-predict the new pay rate but based upon the conversation here: 15% now makes the top rate $300. I think that is the number we are going to see for 2 reasons...(1) it is a 15% bump now (2) it hits the magical 3xx number. I think Mgmt knows that if the number isn't 3xx then it will be immediately rejected. If you get your 3% from there you get 309, 318, and 327 respectively by the end of the next contract. My concern is that this will actually be industry leading payrates but to most of us it still isn't the correct number.
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Yes, I would vote that down.
After seeing a contract that barely offered a COLA raise....I wouldn't even read the rest....

I KNOW what I am worth.... I think FullPull needs to reevaluate HIS self worth.
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:54 PM
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A 3% COLA per year once this new contract expires until we get a new contract would be acceptable during the next negotiations to keep my purchasing power equal. They gotta beat 3% annually during the contract or it is just a slap in the face.

Reading the new SCP letter, I like what he says, and he admits the company needs to get the contract done. Now if the numbers the company put on the table match the need, we might be able to get a deal. It would sure go a long way toward repairing a significantly damaged relationship if they would stop with the nickel and dime games.

I'm not greedy, but I do a tough job in a tough environment and should be compensated accordingly.
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:35 PM
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Do the math on retirement alone.
Earnings top at 299k for the "A" plan and an 8% "B" plan. That sounds great
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:06 PM
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Fisher is being the good cop, sympathizing with our plight and how hard we work, bla bla bla. Meanwhile the negotiating lawyers for the company are figuring out how bad they can fragment and screw us over into accepting a crappy, less than deserved contract. All the while claiming they are poor.



QUOTE=cgflier;1909054]A 3% COLA per year once this new contract expires until we get a new contract would be acceptable during the next negotiations to keep my purchasing power equal. They gotta beat 3% annually during the contract or it is just a slap in the face.

Reading the new SCP letter, I like what he says, and he admits the company needs to get the contract done. Now if the numbers the company put on the table match the need, we might be able to get a deal. It would sure go a long way toward repairing a significantly damaged relationship if they would stop with the nickel and dime games.

I'm not greedy, but I do a tough job in a tough environment and should be compensated accordingly.[/QUOTE]
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Just read Fisher's letter. To me it looks like a precursor to the disgust we are going to have from the turd the company has just thrown to the negotiating committee!
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Just read Fisher's letter. To me it looks like a precursor to the disgust we are going to have from the turd the company has just thrown to the negotiating committee!
I agree. And If it is a turd hopefully the MEC will say so and not recommend it for vote. Then the company will cherry pick one good item and say the MEC is withholding this from the membership and it is all their fault you don't have a contract. Then we go back to talks for a period of time. Then the company will make some very minor improvement. It gets fuzzy here. Not sure how it will play out.
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I agree. It gets fuzzy here. Not sure how it will play out.
The "fuzzy" part is the Roofy kickin in, followed by the purple promise.
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Originally Posted by Full pull View Post
I agree. And If it is a turd hopefully the MEC will say so and not recommend it for vote. Then the company will cherry pick one good item and say the MEC is withholding this from the membership and it is all their fault you don't have a contract. Then we go back to talks for a period of time. Then the company will make some very minor improvement. It gets fuzzy here. Not sure how it will play out.
^ ^This. It's been done before. They will wear us down until 51% say, "I'm tired of this sh!t, let's just move on".....
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