FDX passover pay question
10-23-2015, 05:59 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by kwri10s
It will not matter. We have already decided in past precedence not to grieve this issue. You must have a junior pilot activate prior to you off the same bid or later bid and the same course.
All the nugget guys came back to MEM prior to other guys who had MD11 MEM bids from off the same bid. The union said that in order to get passover, the training had to be the same. So, past precedent.
All the nugget guys came back to MEM prior to other guys who had MD11 MEM bids from off the same bid. The union said that in order to get passover, the training had to be the same. So, past precedent.
I mean the Cubs are due. Right? oh wait, bad example
10-24-2015, 09:10 PM
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Yeah but this one is more clear-cut than the ANC stuff.
New-hires are being trained and checked out in seats at this company, while guys hired before them wait for training dates.
A guy who is right now in the 757 right seat, with a training date for the right seat of the 767 of Jan 2017 sees a new hire trained into the right seat of the 767 check out in October of this year.
The company says "Sorry, no passover since all YOU have to go through is a differences course."
Horse-hockey, I say. A new-hire is in a seat that a senior guy bid - the senior guy should get paid for it.
But the company position now is is FU - grieve it.
Expect this nonsense to increase as we get more fleet familiarity. Everything will become a "differences course" and no one will ever trigger passover.
New-hires are being trained and checked out in seats at this company, while guys hired before them wait for training dates.
A guy who is right now in the 757 right seat, with a training date for the right seat of the 767 of Jan 2017 sees a new hire trained into the right seat of the 767 check out in October of this year.
The company says "Sorry, no passover since all YOU have to go through is a differences course."
Horse-hockey, I say. A new-hire is in a seat that a senior guy bid - the senior guy should get paid for it.
But the company position now is is FU - grieve it.
Expect this nonsense to increase as we get more fleet familiarity. Everything will become a "differences course" and no one will ever trigger passover.
10-25-2015, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by kwri10s
It will not matter. We have already decided in past precedence not to grieve this issue. You must have a junior pilot activate prior to you off the same bid or later bid and the same course.
All the nugget guys came back to MEM prior to other guys who had MD11 MEM bids from off the same bid. The union said that in order to get passover, the training had to be the same. So, past precedent.
All the nugget guys came back to MEM prior to other guys who had MD11 MEM bids from off the same bid. The union said that in order to get passover, the training had to be the same. So, past precedent.
Are you referring to guys "coming back" to the exact same seat --- i.e. Not 727 FO vs 727 SO
Please elaborate
I know there was some issues there when the Purple Nuggets were excessed back to MEM, but that situation is not identical
This should be grieved vigorously
10-25-2015, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by pilot141
Yeah but this one is more clear-cut than the ANC stuff.
New-hires are being trained and checked out in seats at this company, while guys hired before them wait for training dates.
A guy who is right now in the 757 right seat, with a training date for the right seat of the 767 of Jan 2017 sees a new hire trained into the right seat of the 767 check out in October of this year.
The company says "Sorry, no passover since all YOU have to go through is a differences course."
Horse-hockey, I say. A new-hire is in a seat that a senior guy bid - the senior guy should get paid for it.
But the company position now is is FU - grieve it.
Expect this nonsense to increase as we get more fleet familiarity. Everything will become a "differences course" and no one will ever trigger passover.
New-hires are being trained and checked out in seats at this company, while guys hired before them wait for training dates.
A guy who is right now in the 757 right seat, with a training date for the right seat of the 767 of Jan 2017 sees a new hire trained into the right seat of the 767 check out in October of this year.
The company says "Sorry, no passover since all YOU have to go through is a differences course."
Horse-hockey, I say. A new-hire is in a seat that a senior guy bid - the senior guy should get paid for it.
But the company position now is is FU - grieve it.
Expect this nonsense to increase as we get more fleet familiarity. Everything will become a "differences course" and no one will ever trigger passover.
Nobody is being fooled here. It is all about money. The company gets needed 767 FOs and only has to pay them first year pay while keeping more senior pilots on NB pay.
Several guys have indicated this is already be grieved so I don't know what else to do about it at this point.
10-25-2015, 05:15 AM
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The fact that the differences course is a PowerPoint slide show and two rides and the new hires have to go through the same course after their 75 IOE also is a strike against the company's position. Additionally some of us initial cadre 76 pilots started WB pay before the differences course.
As far as not knowing what to do, talk to CE. At least you know where you stand.
As far as not knowing what to do, talk to CE. At least you know where you stand.
10-25-2015, 09:23 AM
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I question whether the people in the CE office are working for the union or the company.
I was bumped from a class so the company could train an instructor. I was not told about the bump until the day class was supposed to start.
That instructor was 10 years junior to me, yet he got my training slot, which forced me to start the following week, allowing another junior guy (in the new week class) to activate before me. I went to CE requesting passover pay, and they said, you don't get it. Company says I don't get it.
Recap: The company bumped me from a class for a person way junior to me. This resulted in a second person, who was in my exact seat, activating before me. I believe I should get passover pay, but the company does not, and CE won't fight for it for me.
I am going to the union office this week to grieve it.
Why bother having a contract if the union won't fight to protect it?
I was bumped from a class so the company could train an instructor. I was not told about the bump until the day class was supposed to start.
That instructor was 10 years junior to me, yet he got my training slot, which forced me to start the following week, allowing another junior guy (in the new week class) to activate before me. I went to CE requesting passover pay, and they said, you don't get it. Company says I don't get it.
Recap: The company bumped me from a class for a person way junior to me. This resulted in a second person, who was in my exact seat, activating before me. I believe I should get passover pay, but the company does not, and CE won't fight for it for me.
I am going to the union office this week to grieve it.
Why bother having a contract if the union won't fight to protect it?
10-25-2015, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by memhubturn
Several guys have indicated this is already be grieved so I don't know what else to do about it at this point.
10-25-2015, 06:46 PM
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If you think about it the company has always based an increase in pay on activation --- and the start of Passover pay on the date a junior guy activates
Nothing to due with the start date or length of a specific training course
This should be straight forward -- if the company chooses to activate a more junior guy that's their choice --- however, Passover pay is clearly due!
Nothing to due with the start date or length of a specific training course
This should be straight forward -- if the company chooses to activate a more junior guy that's their choice --- however, Passover pay is clearly due!
10-25-2015, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DLax85
If you think about it the company has always based an increase in pay on activation --- and the start of Passover pay on the date a junior guy activates
Nothing to due with the start date or length of a specific training course
This should be straight forward -- if the company chooses to activate a more junior guy that's their choice --- however, Passover pay is clearly due!
Nothing to due with the start date or length of a specific training course
This should be straight forward -- if the company chooses to activate a more junior guy that's their choice --- however, Passover pay is clearly due!
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