View Poll Results: How Will You Vote on the FedEx TA?
I'm a definite YES



65
16.93%
I'm a definite NO



170
44.27%
Don't know yet, but leaning towards YES



56
14.58%
Don't know yet, but leaning towards NO



75
19.53%
TA, what TA?



18
4.69%
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Informal TA Vote
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Since this site puts cookies on what you search for (I think), who knows what people think I'm agreeing with? I could be agreeing with Viagra advertisements or Call me Caitlyn commercials, for all I know.
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If the TA passes then you already have a basic ground work for the next contract. If it's voted down, you already have your marching orders. The NC shows up the next day with a new set of plans and engages immediately. No need to completely derail the train, it just needs to be throttled back up and turned a bit. We would have momentum and some degree of unity. If we work to get everyone on board, as we approach peak we should be able to get a second TA. If we fail to achieve the new goals prior to peak, then after peak, take the time to retool the attack.
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From: 767 FO
I agree on your points. However, I am not very pleased that the MEC/Chair response when asked what their plan is if it is voted down, is to take time and regroup. What? Right now they should be polling. This is as smart as we will get on the TA. Everyone is getting as smart on the contract as they've been in years. Find out everyone's top 4 positive improvements and top 4 must fix items (what must be fixed for you to vote yes?). Then ask for the next 3 pet peeves.
If the TA passes then you already have a basic ground work for the next contract. If it's voted down, you already have your marching orders. The NC shows up the next day with a new set of plans and engages immediately. No need to completely derail the train, it just needs to be throttled back up and turned a bit. We would have momentum and some degree of unity. If we work to get everyone on board, as we approach peak we should be able to get a second TA. If we fail to achieve the new goals prior to peak, then after peak, take the time to retool the attack.
If the TA passes then you already have a basic ground work for the next contract. If it's voted down, you already have your marching orders. The NC shows up the next day with a new set of plans and engages immediately. No need to completely derail the train, it just needs to be throttled back up and turned a bit. We would have momentum and some degree of unity. If we work to get everyone on board, as we approach peak we should be able to get a second TA. If we fail to achieve the new goals prior to peak, then after peak, take the time to retool the attack.
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I agree on your points. However, I am not very pleased that the MEC/Chair response when asked what their plan is if it is voted down, is to take time and regroup. What? Right now they should be polling. This is as smart as we will get on the TA. Everyone is getting as smart on the contract as they've been in years. Find out everyone's top 4 positive improvements and top 4 must fix items (what must be fixed for you to vote yes?). Then ask for the next 3 pet peeves.
If the TA passes then you already have a basic ground work for the next contract. If it's voted down, you already have your marching orders. The NC shows up the next day with a new set of plans and engages immediately. No need to completely derail the train, it just needs to be throttled back up and turned a bit. We would have momentum and some degree of unity. If we work to get everyone on board, as we approach peak we should be able to get a second TA. If we fail to achieve the new goals prior to peak, then after peak, take the time to retool the attack.
If the TA passes then you already have a basic ground work for the next contract. If it's voted down, you already have your marching orders. The NC shows up the next day with a new set of plans and engages immediately. No need to completely derail the train, it just needs to be throttled back up and turned a bit. We would have momentum and some degree of unity. If we work to get everyone on board, as we approach peak we should be able to get a second TA. If we fail to achieve the new goals prior to peak, then after peak, take the time to retool the attack.
#87
No, but it is extremely likely the company has some different 'tweaks' to the TA depending on the outcome of a rejected TA (from a very good source).
If the TA were rejected by 90%, a vastly different set of 'tweaks', than if it is rejected by 51%. But, to your point, why are we rushing to take this out of fear of it taking longer to achieve a true industry-leading TA?
This is for us to live with for 10 years! I can wait through peak, which would probably be very ugly (not something I want BTW, nor the company obviously). Why this rush to settle for something substandard just because we won't get a deal quickly if we reject it??? We are playing right into the company's genius timing for this TA.
If the TA were rejected by 90%, a vastly different set of 'tweaks', than if it is rejected by 51%. But, to your point, why are we rushing to take this out of fear of it taking longer to achieve a true industry-leading TA?
This is for us to live with for 10 years! I can wait through peak, which would probably be very ugly (not something I want BTW, nor the company obviously). Why this rush to settle for something substandard just because we won't get a deal quickly if we reject it??? We are playing right into the company's genius timing for this TA.
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From: 767 FO
No, but it is extremely likely the company has some different 'tweaks' to the TA depending on the outcome of a rejected TA (from a very good source).
If were rejected by 90%, a very different tweak, than if it is rejected by 51%. But, to your point, why are we rushing to take this out of fear of it taking longer to achieve a true industry-leading TA?
This is for us to live with for 10 years! I can wait through peak, which would probably be very ugly (not something I want BTW, nor the company obviously). Why this rush to settle for something substandard just because we won't get a deal quickly if we reject it???
If were rejected by 90%, a very different tweak, than if it is rejected by 51%. But, to your point, why are we rushing to take this out of fear of it taking longer to achieve a true industry-leading TA?
This is for us to live with for 10 years! I can wait through peak, which would probably be very ugly (not something I want BTW, nor the company obviously). Why this rush to settle for something substandard just because we won't get a deal quickly if we reject it???
#89
I think their stalling and frustrating tactics have been played masterfully. Very sharp guys who know that this company can afford a true industry-leading CBA, are willing to settle for this TA. Their negotiators are counting on their excellent timing (before September stockholder meeting, and before peak), and the "TVM" fear, for us to settle.
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No, but it is extremely likely the company has some different 'tweaks' to the TA depending on the outcome of a rejected TA (from a very good source).
If the TA were rejected by 90%, a vastly different set of 'tweaks', than if it is rejected by 51%. But, to your point, why are we rushing to take this out of fear of it taking longer to achieve a true industry-leading TA?
This is for us to live with for 10 years! I can wait through peak, which would probably be very ugly (not something I want BTW, nor the company obviously). Why this rush to settle for something substandard just because we won't get a deal quickly if we reject it??? We are playing right into the company's genius timing for this TA.
If the TA were rejected by 90%, a vastly different set of 'tweaks', than if it is rejected by 51%. But, to your point, why are we rushing to take this out of fear of it taking longer to achieve a true industry-leading TA?
This is for us to live with for 10 years! I can wait through peak, which would probably be very ugly (not something I want BTW, nor the company obviously). Why this rush to settle for something substandard just because we won't get a deal quickly if we reject it??? We are playing right into the company's genius timing for this TA.
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