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Old 09-10-2015, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by skeebo2 View Post
If we vote yes now with the UPS strike? looming.
More great internet information. I didn't realize that UPS and the pilots had been given a cooling off period prior to being released to self help. This kind post is why people should come to this forum for their information instead of attending a road show or visiting the Q&A section of the website.
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Old 09-10-2015, 01:30 PM
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MD11 Hog, Name calling just shows your lack of information on overall retirement planning. You need to go to a retirement seminar. The TA kept the A plan for new hires. The B fund increases are not great but a start. Grumpy
If you talk to many of the newer hires on the property - they would rather have given up the A plan for a much better B plan - so explain to me how this was a win (gain) for them?
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Old 09-10-2015, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SKYKN6 View Post
MD11 Hog, Name calling just shows your lack of information on overall retirement planning. You need to go to a retirement seminar. The TA kept the A plan for new hires. The B fund increases are not great but a start. Grumpy
I know you sat on this property for 10 years without a raise and justified doing nothing in your mind. And, that is wonderful for you that are able to pull it off. "seat progression is our raise" and other moronic sh1t like that. However, here is a simple tool that you and your like minded mignons could use but will continue to not understand and ignore thinkershttp://www.westegg.com/inflation/
To prove me wrong, please do one simple calculation in your life, What is the value of 130,000 pension in 1996 today? Can you figure that out? And what will it be 10 years from now. Give me the answer and I'll let you slide with the doing nothing for 10 years without a raise.
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Old 09-10-2015, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts View Post
If you talk to many of the newer hires on the property - they would rather have given up the A plan for a much better B plan - so explain to me how this was a win (gain) for them?
It is not but we were too stupid to realize it in November when the MEC wanted to discuss it but had to shut it down before the recall petitions were launched.

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Old 09-10-2015, 01:58 PM
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Yesterday, I felt like a bunch of Amway salesman were sitting in front of me. I can recognize a sales job when I see one. I got tired of hearing "the company wanted this; but it is a good deal for us." Really? I have not seen one negative item from the negotiating committee on a video, a call-in or a roadshow yet. Really? I even starting thinking of the "sell" on the Proffer for trips. Who really wanted this? Could it be that the company really wants it because it reduces our folks from calling in sick? Or did the union want it for our flexibility when there are "insufficient reserves?" So again, maybe "the company wanted this, but it is a good deal for us." At least this way we can get our DSA accounts up in order to get more of the SLB.....at 50 cents on the dollar! Reminds me of a broke rapper!
I was there and completely agree with your assessment.
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Old 09-10-2015, 02:00 PM
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Wow...are you kidding me. You guys are doing a magnificent job of tearing into anyone and everyone that disagrees with your position. From ****ing on the NC for presenting the TA, to dumping on pilots that are going to actually vote yes.

Do you really want to cast stones at the NC or MEC for pressing this out to everyone for a vote? The NC has worked on this deal for more than 4 years, giving up personal time, sitting behind a desk, or in a conference room, giving their best effort to fulfill the wide ranging desires of 4100+ pilots.

Now you want to shoot them in the head and say they are "selling you" the TA. News flash...this is their work product they believe it's worth your professional consideration as it upholds the cornerstone issues that have been polled. You are pointing your ridicule in the wrong direction...try the folks on the other side of the table.

Remember those guys? The ones that brought you PBS, Sick Leave enhancements, tried to steal your A Plan, kept you out on a 16 hour duty day for one T-storm in MEM, extended you over your kids graduation, called you in for jumpseating into a trip to remove you and then extended your buddy in the field to jumpseat on Company Aircraft to back-fill a crew that went fatigued in the field, dragged out a good faith interim deal with a front about FAR 117 that they were trying to get carved out of, slowed hiring down in an effort to save money only to find their prognostications to be way off.

You get the drift...step back, take a breather, let your brothers and sisters that are doing the same job as you make a decision on their own terms.

Let the NC and the MEC present you with the details, the numbers, and give them your questions. Let them finish their job. I am impressed at the effort and the extent that has gone on to provide us with the TA, TA Questions, videos, Webcasts, Roadshows, and phone calls.

Don't like what your hearing?...Fine, vote no and move on. Don't throw your fellow pilots under the bus while your doing it. Whether they're doing ALPA work, instructing, or just flying the line. Makes no difference, we all come back to the same contract rules at the end of the day and are impacted by the contract equally.

Have you found an APC for FedEx Managers or negotiators yet where they sit back and take public pot shots at each other for the world to read? Nope...neither have I. Why, because its just plan stupid and tears at the fabric of what brings us together- and "they" are loving every minute of it.

I have never been so disappointed in our group of pilots as I have been since this TA has come out and it has nothing to do with the TA. It has everything to do with the personal and confrontational attacks that continue to spew venom at each other in a self fulfilling prophecy of "we get what we deserve".

This decision calls on everyone to weigh the facts and cast a vote. It demands your attention, it deserves your consideration because that is what the majority of the MEC voted for. What it doesn't need is your unprofessional, callous attacks on your fellow pilots whom you will stand, side-by-side with, if this TA tanks.

At the end of the day, whatever the FDX pilots chose to do, I will back it up and support that decision to move forward constructively. This is a Donal Trump moment and you will either hold the process and people hostage because you may lose, or you will accept the outcome and make the best of it either way.

In other words, I'll have your back and be onboard, however this goes down.

What about you?
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Old 09-10-2015, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MD11HOG View Post
To prove me wrong, please do one simple calculation in your life, What is the value of 130,000 pension in 1996 today? Can you figure that out? And what will it be 10 years from now. Give me the answer and I'll let you slide with the doing nothing for 10 years without a raise.
$197,724.28
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Old 09-10-2015, 03:10 PM
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UPS Pilots Union Calls for Strike Vote - WSJ

vote yes we win best way to move up more pilots more aircraft. Other way I think if we vote yes you'll see massive retirements by 2017.

Senority is everything
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Old 09-10-2015, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by skeebo2 View Post
UPS Pilots Union Calls for Strike Vote - WSJ

vote yes we win best way to move up more pilots more aircraft. Other way I think if we vote yes you'll see massive retirements by 2017.

Senority is everything
I think both of your assumptions are incorrect.
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Old 09-10-2015, 06:47 PM
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Just back of the envelope figurin'... but it looks like the multiplier would need to be 3% per year of service x 25 (max) x $260G (cap on eligible earnings) for a maxed out A plan to approximate the buying power of what the max retirement was in 1996.

Everybody cool with increasing the multiplier to 3%, retroactive and going forward as well? Let's have a show of hands...

Ok then, somebody tell the NC. They can tell the company that's what it'll take to pass the rest of the TA, especially since we've got to live under it for at least the next 6 years.
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