busdriver12

I agree with this. This is sad, nobody should be bumped up to an hour prior, unless it's an emergency. I've had opportunities to bump people off, but I just chose to have FedEx buy me a commercial ticket instead, I know people count on the ride. I can see if it's some sort of emergency, or even something where a flight cancels at the last minute (or equipment change) and a FedEx pilot has no other way to get to work in time, but not just random booking at the last minute.

I suspect it does have something to do with the option the company would have as far as using jumpseats instead of tickets to book back to base (which is total BS, and we all know that they will abuse it).

Pakagecheck

Whale,
In the last few years and with the departure of a few carriers from memphis, more offline jumpseaters now ride on us. I am always happy to extend an invitation every flight and will fill every seat. But, with our current rule, one of our own must find a different way inside 24 hours if the flight is full even if it is with pilots from other airlines. It is not removing someone with seats available, its only if there aren't any more seats. As some have stated, this is common practice with every other airline. I have been in the js with the door closed to be removed. That is just business. No ill will. Home team gets preference. Our schedules change last minute as with everyone else. Personally, if the captain was really using his captain's authority, this would be cleared up each time anyway. I very much appreciate others extending the option to ride and we do the same, this is just updating an old mis-applied rule. In the past couple of years, I have seen this be an issue only once.

Viper, how is this different from what happens on the mainline. Your 3 am scenario is the worst case. No different to you being on the last flight out of Dodge and 30 sec to door closure you are removed. You gotta find a place, etc.

Pakage

ancreserve

Are you referring to the pretty blue lettering in the TA that has many seeing RED?

e. Deadhead by Company Aircraft to Base

Those changes listed under that section are actually making it more difficult for the company to DH us on our own Jumpseat... in our current contract on the first page of Section 8 it says:

c. Operational Deadheads
In individual cases of operational necessity and with the approval of the System Chief Pilot, a Regional Chief Pilot or the Duty Officer, a pilot may be scheduled to deadhead on a Company aircraft, chartered jet carrier, Company corporate business jet aircraft or on a scheduled U.S. certificated air carrier operating under FAR Part 135. The SIG shall be advised of the reasons for this action within 5 days of occurrence.

I only bring this up because this is one of the 3 most common misquoted parts of the TA that I heard pilots mention.

Btw my 3 day TA straw pole while in CAN came in around 50 /50.

appDude

The guaranteed offline 24 hours needs to stay. No non emergency bumping. Period.
We use way more QUANTITY of offline seats than they use on us.
The only way for us to reciprocate with a little balance is with QUALITY.

whalesurfer

I understand and frankly for all too long yall's lock-in rules were almost too good to be true. Which is why everyone out there knows about it. I agree though that it doesn't sound right for your own guys not to be able to list themselves if a flight cancels...

Maybe a current lock-in within 24 hours for everybody else but FDX drivers would a good compromise? So an offline pilot could still list him/herself knowing only a purple pilot might take that seat away.. Just daydreaming here... Current rules were fantastic for sure...

whalesurfer

You're absolutely right and yes, it just doesn't sound right when one of your own can't make it home because an offline pilot is listed already.. It was great while it lasted.. Many thanks!

whalesurfer

I don't know what your 75 & 76 jumpseats look like but if you value your own wellbeing and your sanity I hope they're much better than what we've got here at brown..

All our 75s and 76s have 4 j/seats.
On the 757 - 2 next to the lavatory + a foldable seat behind the CA and another foldable behind the FO.
767s have 3 j/seats next to the lavatory and one behind the FO which can be moved to the middle (observer seat). They're all facing forward and are absolutely awful! We get repositioned on our airplanes all the time! No bunks, if you try to sleep on the floor (767) you're always blocking the crew from using the lav and/or the kitchen.

Guys/gals do NOT give up your airline tickets for 75/76 jumpseat misery...

kronan

Can't seem to find the language in Section 26,
Think someone might be stirring the pot

Overnitefr8

Pretty sure our 767 is the same as yours. Our 757 is different. 3 seats behind door and one in the cockpit. The three in the back would be comfortable if they reclined. Unfortunately they don't. But at least they are not in the cockpit.

KnightFlyer

That's why I said if it actually changes. It's not in Sec 26 but it might be in the new PBB; not sure if that is out yet. This was in the synopsis document:

Section 26 General
• Raised annual uniform allowance to $200 (26.B.)
• “No harm” jumpseats expanded to all bases (26.J.)
• New expired Visa/passport notifications and validations similar to medical certificates (26.M.)
• Company manuals provided in electronic format only (26.Q.)
• Ability to bump offline jumpseaters up to 1 hour prior to showtime (PBB)
• New boarding priority system (PBB)
• Modified jumpseat suspension language (PBB)
• Removed seat blocking of jumpseats for deadheading crew members from bid packs (PBB)
• Improved new aircraft acquisition language (26.K.)
• Known Crewmember (KCM) contractually required (26.AA.)