View Poll Results: FedEx TA--How Did You Vote?
I'm a FedEx pilot, I voted YES
78
26.71%
I'm a FedEx pilot, I voted NO
166
56.85%
I'm a FedEx pilot, I've changed my vote to YES
5
1.71%
I'm a FedEx pilot, I've changed my vote to NO
3
1.03%
I'm not a FedEx pilot, but I would vote YES
11
3.77%
I'm not a FedEx pilot, but I would vote NO
22
7.53%
TA, what TA?
7
2.40%
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FedEx TA Poll--How Did You Vote?
10-07-2015, 12:18 PM
#51
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Tough guys ...
I'm hearing a lot of, "I'm a tough guy, but there aren't enough tough guys to make a second push for an acceptable TA worth the time it might take."
If so many of us consider ourselves to be tough guys, why do we perceive so many of our peers to be weak?
Sure, there will always be the outliers who can't see beyond tomorrow, and operate selfishly as individuals. They get a lot of press, but I submit they are in the minority. I think most of us are just as tough as I am, and will do the right thing. We simply need an opportunity to display our resolve.
Have we already forgotten how successful the informational picketing event was?
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I'm hearing a lot of, "I'm a tough guy, but there aren't enough tough guys to make a second push for an acceptable TA worth the time it might take."
If so many of us consider ourselves to be tough guys, why do we perceive so many of our peers to be weak?
Sure, there will always be the outliers who can't see beyond tomorrow, and operate selfishly as individuals. They get a lot of press, but I submit they are in the minority. I think most of us are just as tough as I am, and will do the right thing. We simply need an opportunity to display our resolve.
Have we already forgotten how successful the informational picketing event was?
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10-07-2015, 02:35 PM
#52
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Posts: 1,196
Originally Posted by TonyC
Tough guys ...
I'm hearing a lot of, "I'm a tough guy, but there aren't enough tough guys to make a second push for an acceptable TA worth the time it might take."
If so many of us consider ourselves to be tough guys, why do we perceive so many of our peers to be weak?
Sure, there will always be the outliers who can't see beyond tomorrow, and operate selfishly as individuals. They get a lot of press, but I submit they are in the minority. I think most of us are just as tough as I am, and will do the right thing. We simply need an opportunity to display our resolve.
Have we already forgotten how successful the informational picketing event was?
.
I'm hearing a lot of, "I'm a tough guy, but there aren't enough tough guys to make a second push for an acceptable TA worth the time it might take."
If so many of us consider ourselves to be tough guys, why do we perceive so many of our peers to be weak?
Sure, there will always be the outliers who can't see beyond tomorrow, and operate selfishly as individuals. They get a lot of press, but I submit they are in the minority. I think most of us are just as tough as I am, and will do the right thing. We simply need an opportunity to display our resolve.
Have we already forgotten how successful the informational picketing event was?
.
10-08-2015, 11:01 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,336
Originally Posted by TonyC
Tough guys ...
I'm hearing a lot of, "I'm a tough guy, but there aren't enough tough guys to make a second push for an acceptable TA worth the time it might take."
If so many of us consider ourselves to be tough guys, why do we perceive so many of our peers to be weak?
Sure, there will always be the outliers who can't see beyond tomorrow, and operate selfishly as individuals. They get a lot of press, but I submit they are in the minority. I think most of us are just as tough as I am, and will do the right thing. We simply need an opportunity to display our resolve.
Have we already forgotten how successful the informational picketing event was?
.
I'm hearing a lot of, "I'm a tough guy, but there aren't enough tough guys to make a second push for an acceptable TA worth the time it might take."
If so many of us consider ourselves to be tough guys, why do we perceive so many of our peers to be weak?
Sure, there will always be the outliers who can't see beyond tomorrow, and operate selfishly as individuals. They get a lot of press, but I submit they are in the minority. I think most of us are just as tough as I am, and will do the right thing. We simply need an opportunity to display our resolve.
Have we already forgotten how successful the informational picketing event was?
.
We had this exact conversation at the RoadShow. I'm a self described "Tough Guy".....but I'm voting Yes.
I didn't go to informational picketing as I was out flying. I will submit that there is a big difference between low-risk informational picketing and the idea of giving up (Risk) of real pay increases (Whether or not you think it is above or below or just at a COLA).....money in your pocket.
Who is weak among us? Those that clamored to see the TA and that they had a "right" to see it, and then complain that it should have never made it past the MEC. Yes I have heard those guys. I think some of the "leaked info" soiled the process and circumvented the process. What I see from this pilot group in some quarters is a lack of patience. I am not confident we have a pilot group that can unify behind a long drawn-out fight if a good portion couldn't wait the two weeks to find out what the MEC decided.
A lot of people are continuing to whip themselves up and obsess over this vote. Let's let the process happen.
10-08-2015, 12:48 PM
#55
Organizational Learning
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Directly behind the combiner
Posts: 4,948
Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
TonyC,
We had this exact conversation at the RoadShow. I'm a self described "Tough Guy".....but I'm voting Yes.
I didn't go to informational picketing as I was out flying. I will submit that there is a big difference between low-risk informational picketing and the idea of giving up (Risk) of real pay increases (Whether or not you think it is above or below or just at a COLA).....money in your pocket.
Who is weak among us? Those that clamored to see the TA and that they had a "right" to see it, and then complain that it should have never made it past the MEC. Yes I have heard those guys. I think some of the "leaked info" soiled the process and circumvented the process. What I see from this pilot group in some quarters is a lack of patience. I am not confident we have a pilot group that can unify behind a long drawn-out fight if a good portion couldn't wait the two weeks to find out what the MEC decided.
A lot of people are continuing to whip themselves up and obsess over this vote. Let's let the process happen.
Why do we have such a low regard for each other?
I believe that's an inaccurate perception. I believe the vast majority of us will, when given the opportunity and guidance, stand up and boldly do the right thing.
I have yet to talk to anyone who said if the vote went opposite to their vote they would not support the majority. To a person they've said, I'll support the outcome, whatever it is. I believe that even those who voted Yes will step up and do the right thing when we are asked to take whatever steps are deemed appropriate to reattack this negotiation to achieve a better product.
It's too early to throw in the towel. Have confidence in your brothers and sisters.
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10-08-2015, 05:05 PM
#56
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: 777 CAP
Posts: 494
Originally Posted by CloudSailor
Flew with a guy not too long ago who was voting yes because of the roadshow. He was basing his entire decision on that. Then he read Brad Mahoney's letter, and it changed his mind completely to a no vote.
There are many out there who will unfortunately not read the TA for themselves, and take the hard yes sell, or the hard no sell, without investigating further. With more than three weeks of having the document available to study, I find that attitude hard to understand, when voting on something that will affect us for the rest of our careers here. With the system of roadshows and videos set up as it is, it'll be very difficult to overcome the machine that's geared towards this passing.
There are many out there who will unfortunately not read the TA for themselves, and take the hard yes sell, or the hard no sell, without investigating further. With more than three weeks of having the document available to study, I find that attitude hard to understand, when voting on something that will affect us for the rest of our careers here. With the system of roadshows and videos set up as it is, it'll be very difficult to overcome the machine that's geared towards this passing.
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10-08-2015, 08:08 PM
#59
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,196
I think the difference in APC polls versus actual results is that anyone can vote in an APC poll. If I were an UPS, Delta, SWA...heck, just about any other airline pilot, I'd be tempted to come over and vote no. I'm sure the Delta guys would like company, and UPS pilots believe our contract directly impacts their contract. It might. So why not stir the pot a bit.
10-09-2015, 04:56 AM
#60
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,057
Originally Posted by Rock
I think the difference in APC polls versus actual results is that anyone can vote in an APC poll...
The Jetflyers poll should be a little closer to reality. 347 total votes so far:
NO.......................56%
YES......................30%
HAVEN'T VOTED.....14%
NOT VOTING............1%
I know it adds up to 101%, but the 'not voting' are only 2 people, and I am guessing the poll must only add up whole percentage numbers.
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