R-ATP minimums (redoing inst. training)
06-02-2019, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 155mm
I'm not saying your track is an idiotic idea at all! I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way! I'm saying the whole concept of the RATP was a reactionary process to appease Congress and the public. Personally, the Commercial ticket should have been adequate for an FO job but times have changed and it is what it is. Anyway, good luck!
06-03-2019, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Never heard of that, but it's beyond idiotic.
It's not like your brain would be erased, and you'd still have to do the full training program at any airline in the future anyway.
For clarity, several apps had a special checkbox for B-737 type. That was the ONLY type which had a box, and the only one they were specifically interested. It was unambiguous that checking that box was good on the SWA app, and bad on any other apps.
06-03-2019, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If you had already bombed the SWA interview, and you knew that checking the 737 type box would disqualify your app from certain legacies, it would be an easy call to make.
It's not like your brain would be erased, and you'd still have to do the full training program at any airline in the future anyway.
For clarity, several apps had a special checkbox for B-737 type. That was the ONLY type which had a box, and the only one they were specifically interested. It was unambiguous that checking that box was good on the SWA app, and bad on any other apps.
It's not like your brain would be erased, and you'd still have to do the full training program at any airline in the future anyway.
For clarity, several apps had a special checkbox for B-737 type. That was the ONLY type which had a box, and the only one they were specifically interested. It was unambiguous that checking that box was good on the SWA app, and bad on any other apps.
It's absolutely idiotic to have a qualification on the pilot certificate and then have it removed, a fraud and coverup, to hide the earlier stupidity, as it if never happened, and as if that person never held the qualification. Such subterfuge and falsehood smacks of low integrity
Moreover, it's hiding a training event. Imagine that.
06-06-2019, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Brown Shugaaa
So I am pursuing a 4 year aviation degree at a school with a Letter of Authorization for R-ATP minimums.
If someone already has an instrument rating before starting their degree program, would they qualify for the R-ATP as long as they redid the training through their degree program?
I have 1 FSDO that says this would be acceptable, and 1 that says he isn't sure. A staff member at Embry Riddle said she has seen this before and the students did qualify, but my school says the student would not qualify.
Does anyone have any experience with this issue, or have any of you earned an R-ATP under circumstances similar to this?
If someone already has an instrument rating before starting their degree program, would they qualify for the R-ATP as long as they redid the training through their degree program?
I have 1 FSDO that says this would be acceptable, and 1 that says he isn't sure. A staff member at Embry Riddle said she has seen this before and the students did qualify, but my school says the student would not qualify.
Does anyone have any experience with this issue, or have any of you earned an R-ATP under circumstances similar to this?
Little bit of a similar situation for me. I did not ask about re-taking training but was told by my school that I would not be eligible to apply for the R-ATP. I am a former 121 pilot with about 1,100 hours TT (from back in the day, before 61.160). Contacted my local FSDO and got an email back saying it "appears I should be eligible" but it would depend on what the school would take as transfer. Contacted the school and they basically said the training (ground and flight both) had to be completed with them to be considered. IE, students who earn a degree with the school but came on board with their certificates and ratings already, were not eligible to apply under 61.160. Sounds like you may have got a similar response from your school. Planning on getting my CFI ticket to make up the time delta but would be interested to hear if others were getting a different story.
06-07-2019, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Gear Disagree
Little bit of a similar situation for me. I did not ask about re-taking training but was told by my school that I would not be eligible to apply for the R-ATP. I am a former 121 pilot with about 1,100 hours TT (from back in the day, before 61.160). Contacted my local FSDO and got an email back saying it "appears I should be eligible" but it would depend on what the school would take as transfer. Contacted the school and they basically said the training (ground and flight both) had to be completed with them to be considered. IE, students who earn a degree with the school but came on board with their certificates and ratings already, were not eligible to apply under 61.160. Sounds like you may have got a similar response from your school. Planning on getting my CFI ticket to make up the time delta but would be interested to hear if others were getting a different story.
06-07-2019, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
I'm aware of the box and I'm aware of the large number of pie-eyed fruitcakes who bought themselves type ratings in the hopes of shoving their worthless carcasses to the front of the line.
It's absolutely idiotic to have a qualification on the pilot certificate and then have it removed, a fraud and coverup, to hide the earlier stupidity, as it if never happened, and as if that person never held the qualification. Such subterfuge and falsehood smacks of low integrity
Moreover, it's hiding a training event. Imagine that.
It's absolutely idiotic to have a qualification on the pilot certificate and then have it removed, a fraud and coverup, to hide the earlier stupidity, as it if never happened, and as if that person never held the qualification. Such subterfuge and falsehood smacks of low integrity
Moreover, it's hiding a training event. Imagine that.
06-07-2019, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gear Disagree
Little bit of a similar situation for me. I did not ask about re-taking training but was told by my school that I would not be eligible to apply for the R-ATP. I am a former 121 pilot with about 1,100 hours TT (from back in the day, before 61.160). Contacted my local FSDO and got an email back saying it "appears I should be eligible" but it would depend on what the school would take as transfer. Contacted the school and they basically said the training (ground and flight both) had to be completed with them to be considered. IE, students who earn a degree with the school but came on board with their certificates and ratings already, were not eligible to apply under 61.160. Sounds like you may have got a similar response from your school. Planning on getting my CFI ticket to make up the time delta but would be interested to hear if others were getting a different story.
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06-09-2019, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 155mm
Why wouldn't you fly 135 for a few months instead of going through all this crap to get an R-ATP? Then fly for a Regional and work on an online Bachelors degree! This R-ATP business is over-inflated hype from Colleges that want your money/business! Com'n folks, if you want to be a pilot than fly airplanes and stop worrying about shortcuts and back-doors! Your flight time and more importantly, experience will come fast and you will "be golden"!
Don't think I ever said I was going to school for the sole purpose of trying to obtain an R-ATP. OP asked about people's experiences who already had training complete before enrolling in school so I shared mine.
Shortcuts and backdoors? No. While I'm getting my degree anyway, it was worth making sure I would not be eligible with the time I already have. Nothing wrong with that.
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