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Old 02-08-2022 | 03:26 PM
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Fear is common. As a student pilot with 56 hours and on the verge of my PPL, I can tell you that flying in chop is nothing to worry about. I've encountered it quite a bit and you get used to it.
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Old 02-09-2022 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TipTanks

Well executed, I would put an MPL graduate with 300 hours up against a CFI with 2000 hours in a 172 in rural Ohio at any airline indoc program.
Absolutely. If your goal is to program an FMS and successfully complete airline training. If you're looking for grownup PIC pilot skills, maybe not so much.

Some of the airlines you mentioned have in recent years experienced nearly inexplicable and catastrophic failures in basic airmanship... including one of those euro flag carriers.
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Old 02-09-2022 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
absolutely. If your goal is to program an fms and successfully complete airline training. If you're looking for grownup pic pilot skills, maybe not so much.

Some of the airlines you mentioned have in recent years experienced nearly inexplicable and catastrophic failures in basic airmanship... Including one of those euro flag carriers.
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Old 02-09-2022 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tsimmns927
Curious when the fear that you’re falling out of the sky will go away. A lot better today than my initial flight , but man it’s rough: Maybe it’s just my area in KCWC; but makes me edgy.

Also, I’ve gotta learn that pulling back and pushing forward on the yoke doesn’t always mean you’re going to dive or climb. There were times I was trying to keep the ADI centerd and we’d be climbing so I’d push forward and we’d still be climbing and the ADI would be moving down, but altimeter still climbing. So much to learn, but so far loving it. I will admit I still suck at taxing and not sure I’ll ever be able to stay center on the runway when moving 60knots down it.
Get some tape and cardboard. Use it to cover the ADI. You should not be looking at it in this stage of training.
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Old 02-09-2022 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Get some tape and cardboard. Use it to cover the ADI. You should not be looking at it in this stage of training.
Integrated method of flight instruction should include the instruments but the emphasis should be on the outside.
If a student is over relying on and can’t keep their head outside then yes it’s a good lesson to cover it up.
But that’s to his instructor.
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Old 02-09-2022 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Absolutely. If your goal is to program an FMS and successfully complete airline training. If you're looking for grownup PIC pilot skills, maybe not so much.

Some of the airlines you mentioned have in recent years experienced nearly inexplicable and catastrophic failures in basic airmanship... including one of those euro flag carriers.

Can anyone remind me what MPL program the pilot of Atlas 3591 trained under?


My point is that you can do a 300 hour MPL program or a 1500 hour FAA 141 or Part 61 program and still come out as a lousy pilot. Equally, and frankly far more often, you can come out as a great pilot.
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Old 02-09-2022 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Get some tape and cardboard. Use it to cover the ADI. You should not be looking at it in this stage of training.
Im having another session Friday and am going to see how it goes. If there isn’t any better organization or giving instruction on viewing references outside I’ve decided I might switch up CFI instructors. Not many options in my area, but there is a part 141 school here. And while it might cost a little bit more, if the instructions Is 10 times better I think it’d be worth it.
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Old 02-09-2022 | 04:45 PM
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You sure you want to be a professional pilot? I'm at a big airline but decided to retire and do other work. It's a tough lifestyle that I think VERY FEW are prepared for.
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Old 02-10-2022 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
In my case….a couple of years lol.
In a 727 at 390, never.
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Old 02-10-2022 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Integrated method of flight instruction should include the instruments but the emphasis should be on the outside.
If a student is over relying on and can’t keep their head outside then yes it’s a good lesson to cover it up.
But that’s to his instructor.
or the instructor could be providing the visual pitch reference for level at various airspeeds/power settings. This would set up the positive transfer of learning later for instruments. How to quantitatively measure this visually and describe it is the key. The “attitude” indicator should be used for every transition/change and in this case the “attitude” indicator is straight ahead outside. The turn and slip for instance only tells you that you’ve already screwed up/what has already happened while rolling into the turn, they should be able to match the yaw with the roll visually, which again only comes from looking straight ahead while doing it in my experience.
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