Backseat multi-engine PIC time?
03-08-2009 | 01:05 AM
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I am not so sure about that. I have been in that exact same situation. I asked around and the general consensus was, you only log time while your in the seat. Yes, the whole thing counts toward your FAR limits but only time in the seat for logging purposes.
03-08-2009 | 05:19 AM
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No. I don't think that's how it works. You can't do =any= lesson without an instructor. You can't do an FAA checkride without an examiner or DPE. You can't do a BFR or an IPC (a regulatory requirement) without an instructor That doesn't make an instructor or a DPE a required "pilot" crewmember. If it did, then (a) CFIs would always be required to have a current medical and (b) there would be no need for the rule that CFIs log PIC by the act of providing instruction.
03-08-2009 | 05:25 AM
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So long as that captain remains the acting PIC with ultimate command authority and responsibility for the flight, he gets to log the time, even while in the bunk or head. OTOH, if the company has it set up so that PIC responsibility is transferred to another pilot while the captain in on "break" that would be different.
03-08-2009 | 09:05 AM
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Don't know about about all the legal points made here, but the only back seat pilot in command time credible to me is that which takes place in a tandem aircraft with dual controls. Otherwise, it's like logging SIC time in an airplane that doesn't require a copilot. Bordering on Parker Brother time if you ask me.
03-10-2009 | 07:34 PM
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So let me get this straight... If the two clowns up front end up doing something to bend up an airplane, and you are the one sitting in the back seat, are you going to be willing to stnd up, take responsibility, and say, "yeah, Mr. FAA inspector, I was the PIC" ?? If not, then I wouldn't reccomend logging it as such.
03-10-2009 | 07:42 PM
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No. I don't think that's how it works. You can't do =any= lesson without an instructor. You can't do an FAA checkride without an examiner or DPE. You can't do a BFR or an IPC (a regulatory requirement) without an instructor That doesn't make an instructor or a DPE a required "pilot" crewmember. If it did, then (a) CFIs would always be required to have a current medical and (b) there would be no need for the rule that CFIs log PIC by the act of providing instruction.
03-11-2009 | 02:08 AM
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Over the years I asked this question of 3 141 school chief pilots, 2 FAA inspectors, and 1 CRJ check airman. All said don't log backseat / jumpseat time its not legitimate pilot flight time to log in either 121 or 141. Others may disagree / justify, but be cautious with this kind stuff.
03-11-2009 | 06:15 PM
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If I really wanted to know the last place I would ask is a FSDO - generally the worst place to get a reliable regulatory interpretation. Remember the question about whether a CFI ride counts to reset the FR clock? Some FSDOs said yes; others said no. Different inspectors in the same office had different views. There are other examples.
Regulatory interpretation? FAA Chief Counsel or Flight Standards (national, not local)
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