This is not correct. At least it doesn't automatically reset the clock. The answer is in the following letter of interpretation from the top of the FAA. Here ya go...read it up and pass it around. Maybe if enough people post this in flight schools, the controversy surrounding this question will finally die.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/.../2008/levy.pdf

 

Most of the "controversy" pre-dates the latter. Now it's no longer a controversy, just an educational issue.

 

Simple question: When an accident or incident occurs...who's the "PIC" that is going to talk to the FAA/ NTSB ? If your gonna log PIC, then earn it with your feet on or near the pedals......I guess the days of really being responsible have disappeared....

P.S. "I'm an ATP, so the plane that I just saw fly over my house, I can log that time as PIC..."

 

Simple answer: "who's the PIC" is completely irrelevant to who is logging PIC.

 

Thanks Sultan, I will definitely post this at my FBO and email it to friends

 

I called the examiner who I took my CFI ride with and asked him if the ride reset the BFR clock and he said yes. His reason was because of the wording in the CFI PTS which says that the applicant must "demonstrate" not just "instruct" the required maneuvers to commercial standards. After we talked I emailed him the FAA letter that was posted a few posts earlier and he called me and recommended that I stop by and get the endorsement so make sure all is good. Glad I read this thread and thanks for the letter. This issue needs to be clarified in the regs...

 

It's actually in the regs. The FR clock is reset by passing "a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege..."

A CFI certificate is not a pilot certificate.

You'll find a separation between pilot and instructor certificates, ratings and privileges throughout Part 61. You can start with 61.1(a)(1) which talks about issuing "pilot, flight instructor, and ground instructor certificates and ratings." From there you can go to the fact that a flight instructor who is not also exercising a pilot privilege needs no medical (someone exercising a pilot operational privilege always need a medical).

I haven't checked everything, but I'm not aware of any FAR that treats the flight instructor certificate as a "pilot" certificate.

That doesn't mean it's not confusing. Practically speaking, when you take a CFI ride, you're doing the dame things that you would do in a pilot ride - arguably to a higher standard. But that just makes it like a lot of other regs - you need to be educated about what it means.

 

Exactly.

The reality is that anyone who passes you on an instructor ride will be happy to sign a BFR endorsement too. You just have to ask for it.

Or if you don't want to bug the examiner, the CFI who signed you off for the ride should be able to give you a BFR endorsement based on the checkride prep work.

 

I have a better idea. Why not just plop yourself down on the sofa, open up a kold brewski and after you've had a few brews and munchies, pull out the logbook and log all the MEI time you want.

Seems about the same to me as your hypothesis.
G'Day Mates