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Old 02-21-2010, 03:14 AM   #1  
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So like many low timers like me I am looking for ways to cheaply build time. Now i came across this company that strictly sells block time on multi and single engine aircraft. It is called Accelerated Professional Pilot Program APPP. Its a company in Dallas executive that sells cheap multi block time. I wanted to know if anyone here had any experience or had used this company before. To me it sounds too good to be true, I talked to one of their Sales Managers on the phone that their intense program lets you get 200 multi hours in 28 days or so.

My biggest worry about it is the fact that they want a direct deposit of the money up front in their bank account or wire. Before they even schedule they want the money. I don't want to drop a crap ton of money here and up like many students such as jetcareer U(i think thats what its called) who paid up front and then the school shut down. It all looks fine and dandy on paper, but is it what it really seems? multi-enginetime.com is their website.

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hey dude!

Paying up front is always risky, but on the other side there are a lot of schools require that. I called up the school you are talking about last year. They offered me the same deal. They are quite cheap though, but I never flew with them.

Try out skyventureinc in Arkansas. Skyventure Aviation Inc.: Flight Training School. Call them and ask about renting the multi.

Or try out multi engine training in Arlington, Dallas. They have some old travel airs.

Good luck!
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So like many low timers like me I am looking for ways to cheaply build time. Now i came across this company that strictly sells block time on multi and single engine aircraft. It is called Accelerated Professional Pilot Program APPP. Its a company in Dallas executive that sells cheap multi block time. I wanted to know if anyone here had any experience or had used this company before. To me it sounds too good to be true, I talked to one of their Sales Managers on the phone that their intense program lets you get 200 multi hours in 28 days or so.

My biggest worry about it is the fact that they want a direct deposit of the money up front in their bank account or wire. Before they even schedule they want the money. I don't want to drop a crap ton of money here and up like many students such as jetcareer U(i think thats what its called) who paid up front and then the school shut down. It all looks fine and dandy on paper, but is it what it really seems? multi-enginetime.com is their website.

Anyone plz share any info
Did I do my math right and figure that you would have to fly 7.14 hours per day to get 200 hrs time in 28 days? Are you just flying around in circles for 7+ hours a day? I'm not familiar with these types of operations or time building opportunities, but from this forum I have learned that pay a chuck of money up front is not the preferred way of doing business on the customer's end.

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Why pay them the whole sum up front? Screw that! If they really want your business they'll work something out with you. I noticed their "fleet" had a couple Seneca IIs and an Aztec... wonder if those are part of the time building package? I doubt it. A "network" of Senecas... is the company like a broker or something?

What kind of quality are they giving you? You and another dude log PIC, in the same aircraft at the same time. Sure it can be done, but really?

I would be a little skeptical.
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Well According to their sales manager its nothing but cross country flying nationwide. you fly with a partner and a "mentor" riding in back. You split the flying with your partner everyday about 7 hrs each as PIC, when not PIC youre using CRM as a PNF, of course you cannot log the SIC time being a seneca. Theyre based in Dallas and you basically fly all over the place splitting hotel accomodations or camping out in FBOs.
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Well According to their sales manager its nothing but cross country flying nationwide. you fly with a partner and a "mentor" riding in back. You spit the flying with your partner everyday about 7 hrs each as PIC, when not PIC youre using CRM as a PNF, of course you cannot log the SIC time being a seneca. Theyre base in Dallas and you basically fly all over the place splitting hotel accomodations or camping out in FBOs.
14hrs flying a day? So I'm guessing they don't do 100hr inspections... do you switch out aircraft every 8 days? Do you do oil changes yourself on the road?

CRM and Seneca don't really go together.
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Well they say the senecas are excellently maintained, that unscheduled maintenance is covered by them and what not. They must schedule 100hrs around it all because you need to book about 3 months in advance.
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Well they say the senecas are excellently maintained, that unscheduled maintenance is covered by them and what not. They must schedule 100hrs around it all because you need to book about 3 months in advance.
Ummm, did you expect them to say that their Senecas are poorly maintained?
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I just wonder that the engine times are. If the aircraft actually flew that much - 14 hours a day... the engines would be TBO'd in 5 months... and the aircraft would have had (20) 100hr's in that time.

It wouldn't suprised me if some mx is just pencil-whipped.

Next time you talk to them, just ask them what the aircraft Total Time, and engine times you are going to be flying.
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Well According to their sales manager its nothing but cross country flying nationwide. you fly with a partner and a "mentor" riding in back. You split the flying with your partner everyday about 7 hrs each as PIC, when not PIC youre using CRM as a PNF, of course you cannot log the SIC time being a seneca. Theyre based in Dallas and you basically fly all over the place splitting hotel accomodations or camping out in FBOs.
Usually these time building deals have the pilot-not-flying log PIC as a safety pilot at the same time, and both pilots log PIC. This is a controversial system for logging time, although I do not wish to take sides on it. Another thing about this is the third pilot in the back, another controversial activity.
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