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Old 08-10-2006, 10:10 PM
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Hi all, I am considering ATP's 90-day program and I was wondering:

1. I was wondering what the best location would be for me as I don't have a car and probably can't afford to buy one. I would like to train at a location where the apartments are (super) close to the training facility, and where there are multiple options for food (not just fast food if possible), supermarkets, etc within biking distance. I have only visited the Phoenix location and it seemed very spread out.... Where do you recommend I go?? I would appreciate any advice, from ATP folks or students who are currently studying around the nation or who have visited various locations. Thanks!

2. Anyone at ATP now who can recommend a GOOD CFI there who will put 100% into the student instead of just sit in the plane to build ME hours? I can go to any ATP location, and am willing if the CFI a good one. By the way I come from a liberal arts background so I think I will need a CFI that can help me with mastering systems.
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Old 08-10-2006, 10:25 PM
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I would go to the Dallas location(Arlington). There is a fair amount of places to eat and shop in the area. As for CFI's, you pretty much get what they hand you. If you do not like what you get, you can talk to the Chief pilot and see what you can work out. Out of alll of the locations that I visited, that was the place to be. Nice big, clean facilities.
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:25 AM
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Amen to that. You can get it done within a predetermined amount of time and money, and I am one of the many who complete this program all the time at ATP. I do know of a handful who didn't make it though the program. But, these same people most likely wouldn't have made it through airline training. ATP is probably the best way to get ready for airline training. No airline is going to let you take your sweet time during training. If you cannot make it in the time alotted, see ya later. And N6724G, the COMM ME checkride is one of the easiest checkrides out there. It is basically the same as a PVT check except the maneuvers are a little bit different and there isn't as much room for error. I would honestly recommend to anyone, if not ATP, a program where you are required to get done in a certain amount of time. It will help you in the long run. You are unable to put things off and it forces you to learn. Alot of people on this website say that ATP doesn't teach you to fly, they have no clue what they are talking about. N6724G, if I were u I would do a little bit more investigating and bite the bullet and make the commitment to a structured course.

I realize ther eare a lot of young people on this board. I am 37 yers old college graduate and Army Officer. I have a family. I cant afford to make $1000/month. SOmeof us have bills to pay.

As for training. I must be dumb as hell then. Caude I did my PPL trainng as a college grad a age 27 and it took me 109 hours to get my lisence. Does that mean I will not make it as an airline pilot? Guess what? Airline flying is NOT the only flying out there
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:58 AM
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How long it takes to train or to obtain a ppl depends on alot of things. If you want to get it done quick and efficiently, you have to study, study, study. It has alot to do with the frequency of training. This includes at ATP flying everyday till you get your ppl. I am not going to say that anyone can be a pilot, I will say that the more work you consistantly put into it, the quicker and the more you will learn.
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:01 AM
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I realize ther eare a lot of young people on this board. I am 37 yers old college graduate and Army Officer. I have a family. I cant afford to make $1000/month. SOmeof us have bills to pay.

As for training. I must be dumb as hell then. Caude I did my PPL trainng as a college grad a age 27 and it took me 109 hours to get my lisence. Does that mean I will not make it as an airline pilot? Guess what? Airline flying is NOT the only flying out there
As for the some of us have bills to pay. Well, buddy, that would be all of us you are not alone out there. The ones who do decide to make a career out of the airlines will undoubtedly spend more money. THAT'S JUST THE FACTS MY FRIEND. Sorry that you get offended by people who choose to rack up the loans, but that is their choice in life.
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by navyman_tx
How long it takes to train or to obtain a ppl depends on alot of things. If you want to get it done quick and efficiently, you have to study, study, study. It has alot to do with the frequency of training. This includes at ATP flying everyday till you get your ppl. I am not going to say that anyone can be a pilot, I will say that the more work you consistantly put into it, the quicker and the more you will learn.

I totally agree with consistency of training. But I think that if it does take you longer doesnt mean you are a lesser pilot
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:07 AM
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Agreed! It is all about preference and time to spare. If you want to get it in 40-50 hours, you need alot of spare time.
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First of all, I never said that you were any less of a pilot. I didn't mean to offend you if I did. I am also a college graduate, and a naval officer. So if you are 37, I am guessing that you are an O-4, making pretty good cash. Well, when you start out in aviation and the civilian side, no matter where it is, you will be taking a pay cut. A nice sized pay cut if you go to a regional airline to start your professional aviation career. I was involved with naval aviation while in active duty. I also have bills, no children though. It is a tough transition to go from officer pay to $1000/month. I know that the airlines aren't the only way out there to fly. I don't want to be an airline pilot for the rest of my life either. My goal is to end up as a corporate or chater guy, ultimately Net Jets. Any company out there who is paying you while you train, is going you to want to be able to get it done a specified amount of time. Any CFI, who you may think is awesome, may say that you are not ready in order to get more time or money out of you. I can't do that at ATP, I have a fixed amount of time that I have to get my students through, I make the same amount of money whether I fly or not. I have seen people get washed out of both military and airline training. They don't have time or the resources to continue to pay those people who take longer than they want. I am not saying don't get your ratings the way you want. If you want to take 2-3 years, that is fine. I was just saying that ATP and other structured programs can get you ready for your future whatever it is in aviation. There is a big difference between GA training and professional aviation training no matter where it is.
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First of all, I never said that you were any less of a pilot. I didn't mean to offend you if I did. I am also a college graduate, and a naval officer. So if you are 37, I am guessing that you are an O-4, making pretty good cash. Well, when you start out in aviation and the civilian side, no matter where it is, you will be taking a pay cut. A nice sized pay cut if you go to a regional airline to start your professional aviation career. I was involved with naval aviation while in active duty. I also have bills, no children though. It is a tough transition to go from officer pay to $1000/month. I know that the airlines aren't the only way out there to fly. I don't want to be an airline pilot for the rest of my life either. My goal is to end up as a corporate or chater guy, ultimately Net Jets. Any company out there who is paying you while you train, is going you to want to be able to get it done a specified amount of time. Any CFI, who you may think is awesome, may say that you are not ready in order to get more time or money out of you. I can't do that at ATP, I have a fixed amount of time that I have to get my students through, I make the same amount of money whether I fly or not. I have seen people get washed out of both military and airline training. They don't have time or the resources to continue to pay those people who take longer than they want. I am not saying don't get your ratings the way you want. If you want to take 2-3 years, that is fine. I was just saying that ATP and other structured programs can get you ready for your future whatever it is in aviation. There is a big difference between GA training and professional aviation training no matter where it is.

Excellent!!! I too didn't mean to offend if I did. I just won't step into another FBO to hear the you need more time before you're ready. Really? I just did the PTS without busting anything. What exactly does 'a nice finish on your flying' mean? To me it means you are a few hours short of 135 mins and you want me to pay for them..No thanks!

I too am a military officer , 03 in the AF with a family. Its difficult but when I'm ready to make the break and do something different I'll be more than prepared for the 'slings / arrows of an outrageous fortune'

Dallas is an auspicious place for my family. My father got his commercial helo ticket there and I have family in town. I'll definately consider them for my training and as a place to CFI. Its close to Houston - if Xjet is around I'm going to target them in my job search.

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Old 08-12-2006, 07:20 AM
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What's up man? Long time no talk to.

You know, I have been posting comments on this forum for a little while now and I can say that beyond a shadow of doubt, that LAfrequentflyer and ctd57 are two of the most encouraging guys that post comments on this forum.

You are right, there are different learning curves for everyone. Everybody doesn't learn at the same rate. What one person may p/u immediately may take the next a few extra trys to get. It's ok.

As far as ATP, IMHO, there's no one better. I mean for the amount of money that you spend, you get all that you need to become a proficient pilot.


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