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Old 09-02-2014, 04:55 AM   #11  
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Reminds me of the time an F-15 pilot ran a 152 out of gas.
In my flight instruction days it was a neurosurgeon. Piper Archer. Purported ran out of fuel. And did - on the left side only. When the feds showed up off airport the left tank was completely empty and the right was so full it started gushing out when they opened the cap.
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Old 09-02-2014, 05:47 AM   #12  
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With such a lackadaisical approach to aviation, perhaps your better suited to Microsoft Flight Sim. You can even hook up your iPad to it and use foreflight!
Seriously, if you want to timebuild using their aircraft, then you follow their rules. Besides, it will make you a better pilot.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:26 AM   #13  
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The windows are the most important piece of equipment in the airplane.

Plot courses, measure distances, use the stopwatch. You never know when the iPad is going to give out on you. In less than 500 hours using the app, I have had two iPad Foreflight failures, one inflight. Always have a backup.
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Old 09-02-2014, 09:46 AM   #14  
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If you're flying VFR, pilotage and (rough) dead reckoning should always be your primary form of navigation, backed up with things like VOR, GPS, iPad, etc. You don't necessarily have to have a VFR flight plotted out on a chart with an immaculate navlog like you did when you're doing you're private, but you should be able to figure out roughly what direction, which landmarks you'll pass, how much time it'll take, and how much fuel you're gonna use BEFORE you go, in addition to being able to make rough estimations in the air.

My interpretation of your flight club's rule is you aren't required to use an actual paper chart, but you cannot solely navigate by looking at how far away you are from your magenta line on your iPad. Use the chart on your iPad to find landmarks outside.
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:06 AM   #15  
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Okay, I don't normally say something like this on APC, but there are 2 places I hope you don't wind up: on my seniority list, or in management.
I swear, I don't know how being honest & lacking experience can illicit such a response from an APC member on this forum. But, then again, some fellas are really impressed with themselves.
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I swear, I don't know how being honest & lacking experience can illicit such a response from an APC member on this forum. But, then again, some fellas are really impressed with themselves.
It was one thing when the OP asked for advice on it, got it, then decided he didn't agree with it, it then became something else as he was going to stick to his toys anyway ("I don't want to plot waypoints").

OnCenterline is right.
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I think there may be a misunderstanding. What I meant is that I do not want to use a navlog like I'm a student pilot, plotting out MH,TC and all that. Plotting out points and getting a rough calculation is fine, but I just don't see a need in doing a Navlog, especially for a flight that is only 10nm to a nearby airport for XWind landing practice.
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If you're flying VFR, pilotage and (rough) dead reckoning should always be your primary form of navigation, backed up with things like VOR, GPS, iPad, etc. You don't necessarily have to have a VFR flight plotted out on a chart with an immaculate navlog like you did when you're doing you're private, but you should be able to figure out roughly what direction, which landmarks you'll pass, how much time it'll take, and how much fuel you're gonna use BEFORE you go, in addition to being able to make rough estimations in the air.

My interpretation of your flight club's rule is you aren't required to use an actual paper chart, but you cannot solely navigate by looking at how far away you are from your magenta line on your iPad. Use the chart on your iPad to find landmarks outside.
The school I go to requires the course be plotted on the chart, a Navlog for any flight leaving their Class D Airspace, with points every 10nm. Additionally, they require a VFR Flight plan to be filed and activated for any flight.
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I think there may be a misunderstanding. What I meant is that I do not want to use a navlog like I'm a student pilot, plotting out MH,TC and all that. Plotting out points and getting a rough calculation is fine, but I just don't see a need in doing a Navlog, especially for a flight that is only 10nm to a nearby airport for XWind landing practice.
It's their plane... Don't like it? Go somewhere else.

As far as their concerned they don't know you from Adam, just because you have a PPL/CPL/ATP does not mean you're competent.
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The school I go to requires the course be plotted on the chart, a Navlog for any flight leaving their Class D Airspace, with points every 10nm. Additionally, they require a VFR Flight plan to be filed and activated for any flight.
That's a bit over the top IMO but everyone is right it's their airplane and you should abide by their rules. Who knows could be a weird insurance thing or something, although I've never heard of that.
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