No, I completely agree, all daytime flying for Emirates is certainly not possible/realistic. I mean, you’re flying across the world, you can obviously expect it to get dark. It’s just the chances of doing back of the clock hub turns, (a wide majority) of daytime sleeping, and the very nature of cargo flying (essentially working on the back of the clock so packages arrive during the day) that doesn’t appeal to me.

In some ways, cargo flying seems more appealing than a US major if I were to go with them. Less dealing with passengers, more time off, get to travel the world with nicer aircraft (like someone else said). My issue overall is just extensive night flying and the toll it takes. If there’s anything I’m missing out let me know.

 

Everyone has been trying to explain to you that flying for UAE is 'back of the clock' flying. They fly heavy jets across vast continents,countries, oceans, seas, and time zones... which is basically 'back of the clock' flying that you refer to. For example, you depart OMDB at 6pm local and arrive to KIAD at 9am local. That is going to negatively effect your circadian rhythm and sleep patterns. That's just like FDX/UPS flying.

 

I agree! I’m just saying cargo flying has more likelihood of flying at night than anything.

 

I was at Emirates for nearly 7 years, went from a RJ Capt in the US to 777 Capt inside 4 years. It was a pretty decent place to work when I got there but by the time I left in 2016 it was downright awful. I just talked to some buddies there and up until this COVID thing not much had changed, now they are all on mandatory half salary until this clears up. As far as your comments go about night flying, well I'm sorry to say 80% of the flying there is through a circadian low. To make matters worse they work off their own interpretation of UK regulations, meaning that 9 hr flights unaugmented are common. Average days off when I left was around 9 with more then 12 being unheard of. It was an adventure for sure, I was young and enjoyed it for the most part but its a much different company now and would not recommend it to someone (not that its an option currently) unless they are unemployed.

 

This discussion is pointless. No pax airline on this planet will be hiring for years to come.

 

Yea back in the day the place was run by bunch of lymies worried about there jobs i checked the operation out and decided against it and glad i did.
The price of oil will never rebound and the region has been going down the toilet with the loss of revenue, the honey moon is most certainly over.

 

Completely false. I was a 777 driver for 5 yrs out in DXB. We flew back side of the clock just as much if not more than any Fedex driver. The largest departure bank out of DXB was between 0130-0300 local. Imagine back to back night turnarounds through the night to garden spots like Karachi, Tehran, get one day off to try to recover then depart at 0230 for that wonderful Lagos layover, or maybe a nice simulator support session (yes at 0230 as well, in uniform, hope you got a nap in cause it’s potentially a jeopardy event for you too)..... It was fairly manageable when we were doing 75 hrs and 15-12 days off a month when I first got there in 2012. By the time I left we were flying 95+hrs per month and 8-10 days off per month, mixture of short, medium, long and ultra long haul. Now I’m getting paid a lot more per hour spent at work back at a US LCC, never flying much past midnight, 15+ days off, schedule flexibility, “real” bidding and bidding transparency, not have to worry about the safety department or dealing with the ever present bone crushing fatigue. It takes most people several months to regain a circadian rythm after they leave.

With all the upcoming airline bankruptcies and layoffs with experienced long haul heavy drivers looking for work they will concentrate on sucking all of those candidates up once they hire again.

 

Honest question, you wouldn't have rather stayed, and be at American right now?

 

Gasp, can’t wait to hear the response on that one!

 

he will never answer you


but here what a good friend of mine told me who is there (10y)

777 captain $6000 per month now — no flying
When he was flying 92 hours per month was around 14k net per month with free housing of course

So same as 777 FO pay at AMR/DL/UAL, after year 6 years net pay ....