I talked to my contact in Greek CAA and he told me that all he would need is Air law and Human Performance.

Besides Naples you also have Orlando Flight Training.

 

Thanks for going out of your way to find that info! I really appreciate it, I should be able to go from here. Thanks again, Chick

 

No problem, send me a pm if you need anything else.

 

[quote=olympic;380657]I talked to my contact in Greek CAA and he told me that all he would need is Air law and Human Performance.

Please don't give these american guys hope to go fly in Europe.

EU or JAA protect their pilots very well!! how, first you need to get the JAA exams 14 of them. VERY COMPLICATED,,,I'm working on it. Then a check ride in the airplane if you are typed and have 500 hours of multi crew enviornmet time. Other wise if you dont have a type rating then you need to take 2 check rides one for CPL and the other one for IR/ME. the hole thing will cost around 10-15K brithis pounds not us dollars guys.

The other problem is, work permit. I have it and it is very hard to obtain it. The third and most stupid one I think is that most of the airlines in Europe require you to speak their language,,,,,,,except the Low cost carriers.

good luck

 

Sorry I forgott to tell you guys one more thing.

if you have 3000 hours total time and 1500 PIC time in an aircraft that is greater than 30000 KG (66000 ibs) you only need to do 2 exams and this is only for UK registered aircraft not the rest of JAR country.

More info will be found at pprune.com

 

UK registered only? I already called the Hellenic CAA and they told me he would only need Airlaw and Human Performance, so I guess it's not only UK.

Work permit is the hardest thing to get, we all know this. But if you have the time you won't need to do all of the 14 exams.

 

[quote=KDUA;381808]I was an American pilot with 250 hours and converted all of my licenses to JAR. The conversion cost me exactly 15,000 dollars. 8000 for the ground and 7000 for the flight portion. UK is expensive, that is why I didn't attempt to do the Flying there, just the ground.

 

The IAA requires two exams to obtain a validation,... Air Law, and Air Operations.

 

[QUOTE=KDUA;381808]KDUA,

Why would you discourage others to try! It can be done. Olympic and myself have done it. I know there are others as well. We fully understand the work involved and the costs associated. We ALWAYS have stated that it is a lengthy, tedious and expensive process. However, if someone has the energy, money and the desire to try, I say go for it.
That being said we have also have recommended individuals to do much research if this is a goal.
While each person can research the requirements of the JAA, I suggest the research go one step further and look at any additional requirements required by the CAA in the country of choice. I know for a fact these vary from country to country. This may require travel to the country and meet face to face. I would suggest this anyways...
The work permit is a huge hurdle and probably should be looked at first. The foreign police in most countries can provide these requirements, again this probably would take a face to face meeting. Again, it can be done if one is creative. I'm not saying it can be done in every European country but some are less difficult than others.

Just my thoughts.
O what do you think? JNS?

Lifter

 

Lifter you are right.

Okay so let's step back and breakdown everything that has been said.

Below I will post what has to be done to convert the FAA license to JAA. Converting will be different for each pilot, depending on Total Times and of course PIC time.

AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOTS LICENCE (ATPL)

First Option
If you hold 500 hrs multi crew experience on a JAR 25 or 23 (type as laid down in JAR FCL 1 section F), hold a type rating on that type (A second in command certificate as issued by the FAA is acceptable), and will be doing your ATPL skills test on that type you are exempt from the whole Type rating course and doing any type of training for the ground examinations, you can simply just enter and sit them without any help, then go and do the skills test. Typical training providers for the type rating course here in the USA are Flight Safety and Simuflight. Orlando Flight Training in Florida says they will assist anyone who is looking for a training provider.

Second Option
There is an option for a restricted licence which will allow you to start flying in Europe quicker. However there are some restrictions and requirements.
REQUIREMENTS: A minimum of 3,000 hours as pilot of public transport aircraft over 30,000 kgs MTOW on scheduled international or similar routes, a minimum of 1,500 hours of which must have been as Pilot-in-Command.
RESTRICTIONS: The restriction is to fly UK registered aircraft only. However, this may be removed if you go on to complete the remaining examinations within 18 months of siting your initial exams.
The course requirements are as for the first option, but you are only required to sit two written exams, which are Human Performance and Limitations, and Air Law.
Due to the restrictions, many airlines will not actually accept this licence and so very few people attempt it. However, some have completed this and gone onto job in the UK.

Third Option
If you do not meet any of the requirements, you will be required to complete a Ground school course, pass the examinations, and pass a JAA Commercial check ride wither by sitting the full approved course, or by completing training as required if you already hold an ICAO CPL The Instrument rating can be done by conversion if you hold an ICAO IR. This is a 15 hr course which must be completed in Europe.

All options require you to attain a Class 1 Medical for the JAA licence. This initial licence must be done in Europe, but if you have a UK issued JAA medical, then it can be renewed in Florida.


I highlighted all the important points. But this is basically the process to get the JAA license. It is a easier process for anyone who has the Multi Crew time in a JET and of course the PIC Time.


Regarding the Working Permit, for me the process was MUCH easier because both my parents were born in Greece, this helped my paper work go through quicker, the downside was that I had to do Greek Military Service for a few months to get the FULL CITIZENSHIP and EU PASSPORT.


Lifter I think you should let everyone know how you got the Working Permit, you would be a better example then me.

Let's keep in mind, that there are a bunch of N registered aicraft in Europe, also some companies will sponsor you. Last I heard and I am still trying to get information is that RYANAIR still hires expats.

Hope this helped.

olympic.