Trump supports NAI
02-08-2017, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nfo99
White House press secretary Sean Spicer on Tuesday suggested that the Trump administration looks favorably on the foreign air carrier permit that the Obama administration granted to Norwegian Air's Ireland-based subsidiary in December.
"There is a huge economic benefit that lies in that deal right now," Spicer said, referring to Norwegian's plan to purchase more than 100 Boeing aircraft and noting that Norwegian has committed to hiring U.S. workers."
Now that the reality is out, whats the latest from those who voted against self interest?
No Obama this. No Hiliary that. We have who we have. His administration has came out with his position on how great this will be to Make America Great Again.
This is intended to be an actual discussion on what DID happen. Not but if......
"There is a huge economic benefit that lies in that deal right now," Spicer said, referring to Norwegian's plan to purchase more than 100 Boeing aircraft and noting that Norwegian has committed to hiring U.S. workers."
Now that the reality is out, whats the latest from those who voted against self interest?
No Obama this. No Hiliary that. We have who we have. His administration has came out with his position on how great this will be to Make America Great Again.
This is intended to be an actual discussion on what DID happen. Not but if......
If you want a discussion about what DID happen, why begin with a false or misleading thread title?
If Trump or Spicer has declared, as you have, that Trump supports NAI, I haven't read it, seen it, or heard about it.
What Spicer DID say, when asked about NAI, was "I don’t want to get ahead of the president on that, ..."
https://redirect.viglink.com/?format...3Bt%3D1h12m52s
I don't think you can divine from that exchange that Trump supports NAI.
His administration has NOT came out ... your words ... with his position in NAI.
So, back to reality.
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02-08-2017, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
Obama couldn't stop it. The administration admitted there was nothing they could do to stop it. Trump didn't try. Not only that, his administration actually likes it. There's the difference.
My point is Trump supporters are naively championing him as a jobs Messiah. Republicans have been and always will be the party of big business.
My point is Trump supporters are naively championing him as a jobs Messiah. Republicans have been and always will be the party of big business.
Second, Trump has been very good for jobs so far. Did Obama ever DO anything like Trump has done? No. He only SAID things. For example, Obama said things like, "We must work harder to ensure our middle class has better jobs and better wages." Nice talk. But he DID NOTHING. Trump is calling out companies who are trying to leave. Trump is calling on businesses to come to America. So far it seems to be working.
Fact: Obama is the first President to never have a year GDP growth of 3% or more. Let's wait and see how Trump's Administration plays out before you start throwing stones in glass houses.
Trump is pro-America and pro-jobs. While Trump's Press Secretary (Sean Spicer) said yesterday he thought there might be a deal (NAI agrees to hire 50% American pilots ... they must buy Boeing aircraft), we'll have to wait and see what happens. We don't know yet. ALPA engaged them today. Let's hope it worked.
02-08-2017, 07:38 PM
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UALPA says that they don't even have to hire 50% American pilots. They say that as long as the pilots are hired under EU or American pilot contracts and put that in writing, that would suffice. So if this NAI scheme isn't a big deal, why won't they do that and put in writing?
http://video.foxnews.com/v/530828270...#sp=show-clips
http://video.foxnews.com/v/530828270...#sp=show-clips
02-08-2017, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Burton78
Ok, why keep it such a secret? Please elaborate on why you seem to spend what appears to be the effort of a full time gig posting on a United States centric pilot forum cheerleading the demise of the lifelong, hard sought after American pilot jobs if you have no skin in the game. Do you want to work for NAI? Are you even a pilot? If so, who do you work for and why do you spend so much time day in and day out defending the likes of NAI which only serves to degrade the pilot profession globally? What say you about SAS mimicking NAI's idea in Ireland and please explain why they would want to pick that particular country to start an ULCC? Please properly introduce yourself and explain why this is so important to you along with your angle and perhaps people can better understand why you feel the way you do. I'm positive just about anyone here would gladly tell you who they work for and why the feel the way they do. If you can't do the same, you have zero credibility.
I'm sure the Lorenzo's and Kjos' of the world applaud your tireless efforts.
I'm sure the Lorenzo's and Kjos' of the world applaud your tireless efforts.
Please tell me who you work for and then I will do the same.
02-08-2017, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Burton78
I agree his points are fairly level headed but, I don't see anyone more invested in speaking in behalf of NAI than him. Maybe one day he can enlighten us all on who he works for and demonstrate how it caused upward pressure on his pilot wages. I'd just like to hear his full story and why he talks about little other than NAI.
As for enlightening you about how it put upward pressure on wages I have stated it many times. But here it goes again:
Over the past five years Norwegian (all of Norwegian - NAS, NAI, NAN and NUK) has grown significantly at the same time as more European airlines have begun to hire. Many of the smaller airlines and other LCCs have begun to lose pilots to the Norwegian group. As a result many of them have had to improve the salaries and working conditions in order to attract and retain pilots. My wife's airline (she works in crew planning) recently raised wages approximately 8% across the board and instituted a fixed roster pattern in an effort to retain pilots who have been leaving for Norwegian. Over the past year I have worked two contract jobs in Europe and have seen the terms and conditions increase. For my most recent contract I was asked in the interview if I had interest in returning to China or if I had looked at the Norwegian long haul operation (I am an Airbus guy but Norwegian has been known to occasionally accept Airbus time for the 787 operation). They have had pilots leave for both, had just increased their contract offering, and wanted to know if that was something I was considering.
The European market is very different than the U.S. market, the legacy airlines tend to be very protective of their nationalities and often practice blatant age discrimination - Lufthansa and Austrian have very strict age requirements. If you are a 45 year old experienced pilot from Ireland, you have ZERO chance of getting a job with most legacy airlines in Europe and your options at home are limited to Ryanair, an occasional cadet opening with Aer Lingus, and ....Norwegian. If you are a 45 year old experienced pilot from Ohio, you have a very good shot at American, Delta or United. It is just a very different environment over here and clearly, from many of the statements made on here, many of you fail to comprehend that. The options for a 45 year old experienced pilot in Europe are just not the same as they are in the States. And when compared to what is available for an experienced pilot in their 40s or 50s, Norwegian is actually a pretty decent option overall. It is certainly a lot better than Germania, or Small Planet, or Primera, HiFly, Avion Express, Jet Time, WizzAir or any of the other ACMI or ULCCs out there. And without question it is far better than the Lufthansa alter-ego Eurowings.
02-08-2017, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nfo99
White House press secretary Sean Spicer on Tuesday suggested that the Trump administration looks favorably on the foreign air carrier permit that the Obama administration granted to Norwegian Air's Ireland-based subsidiary in December.
"There is a huge economic benefit that lies in that deal right now," Spicer said, referring to Norwegian's plan to purchase more than 100 Boeing aircraft and noting that Norwegian has committed to hiring U.S. workers."
Now that the reality is out, whats the latest from those who voted against self interest?
No Obama this. No Hiliary that. We have who we have. His administration has came out with his position on how great this will be to Make America Great Again.
This is intended to be an actual discussion on what DID happen. Not but if......
"There is a huge economic benefit that lies in that deal right now," Spicer said, referring to Norwegian's plan to purchase more than 100 Boeing aircraft and noting that Norwegian has committed to hiring U.S. workers."
Now that the reality is out, whats the latest from those who voted against self interest?
No Obama this. No Hiliary that. We have who we have. His administration has came out with his position on how great this will be to Make America Great Again.
This is intended to be an actual discussion on what DID happen. Not but if......
02-08-2017, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
UALPA says that they don't even have to hire 50% American pilots. They say that as long as the pilots are hired under EU or American pilot contracts and put that in writing, that would suffice. So if this NAI scheme isn't a big deal, why won't they do that and put in writing?
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