Das Auto

Because its total time and time in type. Most of my time is from the 121 world and that's where I cut my teeth. I upgraded with zero turbine PIC time, then moved to a larger airplane that I'd never even flown before as a Captain. Not a single hour logged in that aircraft as either SIC, fake PIC or real PIC. Just a type ride in the sim then a couple of weeks of IOE.

Granted the part 135 world allows a little more flex when it comes to interpreting the rules, but anyone who plans on sitting in front of a major part 121 air carrier in the future should keep their logbook black and white (or green if its that brand.) No gray areas. No Pseudo PIC.

1212135

Ok thank you. 3 pages ago saying yeah 135 world is more flexible and will allow some time a mainline carrier would not accept is legal in the 135 world. He asked about 1 specific company. You could have mention just to be clear before you leave that 135 job you better make sure your PIC time is solid. I would never have disputed with anyone a mainline carrier would not accept this time. But some 135 carriers would if he was looking for Provisional Captain if that’s what he was looking for. In fact rereading my original post I did say that. But it wasn’t you calling me a liar at first either in regards to a particular question about one company. so I’m sorry if I have attacked you in anyway. And NO as sad as it makes me look I have no intentions of going to mainline (personnal and family decision) and if I did I would have worked for Peimont and taken the flow thru. Commuting takes the life out of you.

USMCFLYR

Sorry Das - you are off the mark with “fake PIC” or “Pseudo PIC”.
Unfortunately it is clear that you are not in this thread for any useful reason other than to pander your off-kilter version of how things should be logged.

For others actually reading this thread for real information (if there is anyone), then take the advice offered in many posts about how to portray yourself in the interview and how to follow their application rules, but also understand the FARs and not someone’s interpretation of them.

Das Auto

Nonsense! You should know better than to tell an SIC to log PIC time when they are not assigned as the Captain by the certificate holder, not the one sitting in the left seat, signing for the aircraft, making entries in the aircraft log and, not the one ultimately responsible for the safe and efficient operation in the eyes of the FAA.

Re-writing your logbook would be a long and tedious but necessary process after a 121 interviewer taught you a tough but valuable lesson. The Captain is the PIC, the F.O. is the SIC. Don't be padding your logbook with wannabe PIC time.

MaxMar

What happens when only one person can log the time eg single pilot airplanes eg 135 Pilatus operations? SIC is required for 135 IFR legs but what if he’s flying the 91 repo? Under 91 only one pilot is required, and the legal PIC is not flying. Are you gonna tell the assigned PIC to log illegal time simply because the certificate holder designated him PIC when someone else is flying? How will the majors feel about that? It’s Captain commander time, true, the release will state as much, but it’s not legal loggable time.

1212135

1. Apparently we need to clear the air here. Even I’m lost? A guy asked about coming to GAMA. Not Mainline! If he’s on a GAMA thread figuring out Delta interview policy. His log book is the least of his issue why he’s not getting hired. But a weird fake guess tells me he was interested in GAMA stance on time to work for GAMA as a provisional Captain. You’ve finally clearly agree that part 135 is flexible on times.

2. Now Section 2-If Anyone is on this Gama thread attempting to find out Mainline interviews policies and what hour requirements are I might take a strong look at where I went wrong looking for Mainline information on a part 135 GAMA forum. But so no one gets confused Mainline hiring minimums probably are not the same as Gama nor is there compensation package. That may account for the difference of interpretation of a already interpreted statement from the FAA. I would take five minutes to go to the mainline forum and ask a Mainline pilot what their hiring minimums are requiring. At that point a recruiter would tell them you need to have 1000 hours (or more or less ) of PIC time. And at that point the applicant must decide what he/she Wants to send them. I’d hope after working as a Captain anywhere they would make a competent decision on what they feel is right. If you worked at GAMA for 1years as per the contract you would be looking at 400-500 of Left/Dispatch PIC time. That would get original poster to Das Auto minimums to allow them to work at mainline.( last sentence was joke)

Das Auto

How about this.

There is a provision in the regulations which allows a pilot who is type rated in the aircraft and is the sole manipulator of the controls to log PIC time. The intent of this provision is to allow said pilot to escape the catch 22 predicament of not having the PIC time required to upgrade and can't build any PIC time because he's F.O.

Its advisable to log this time separately form PIC (Captain) time in the logbook as this practice is not common in the 121 world. (Should flying for a part 121 air carrier one day be your ultimate goal.)

1212135

Agreed! Sorry about the remark above.

Das Auto

No worries. I guess both sides learn something when the books are dusted off and opened up.

dera

PIC has operational control?
You want to lock that answer?