727C47

Exactly, more of a non sched : )

Egliderjet

Reserve is in quotation for a reason. And Netjets does a lot of “REAL” reserve too. Unless my schedule is packed with flying, that I can’t control if it is or not, I get some sort of true reserve assignment. “Hotel Reserve” “Reserve at Residence” (both of these are leave the location in 30 min. “STBY at FBO” “Tentative” flight duty (wheels up in 45 min), “Hot Spare”, (wheels up in 30 min), and “Backup” (fueled for a specific trip if another plane breaks).

EVERY PILOT DOES TRUE RESERVE AT NETJETS.

Some of it is is base, most of it is not. I don’t think airlines have 100% of their pilots available for reserve? Also, other then one specific type that is rare to see, all reserve at netjets is ASAP-30-45min non of airline reserve is that bad.

If you don’t live in base, wether at Netjets or an Airline, that is a life choice you are making. It will impact everything from QOL to income potential.


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Twofiddyatten

It is reserve, and no NetJets isn’t an airline. The schedule and on the hook nature of NetJets scheduling resembles airline reserve more than it resembles anything else.

Thedude86

Not saying it’s always the case, but minus tasting bourbons and cigars you’re correct. Although, if you’re on long call you can still drink.

I know lots of people who bid reserve but can hold a line... Regional and Legacy. More common at the legacies though. There are some commuters that even bid reserve if they can hold long call. If you’re senior enough you can bid last out and do your 3 landings every 90 days in the sim since you never get used. It’s more of a rarity, but this happens at the regionals too.

I’d say if you’re senior enough and live in base most airline guys actually prefer reserve. If you’re junior, then airline reserve is probably the worst. If you’re a commuter the good news is you’ll only be on reserve for just a few months no matter which airline you go to. If you’re on reserve longer than 4 months then it’s probably because you live in a senior base and don’t want to move or commute. But again, living in base on reserve (junior or senior) is usually more desirable than having a line.

Retractable

But when you’re of the mindset that you don’t care where you go...

It’s not really an issue at all. To be continually rescheduled is no different than many days at SWA when the PM shift goes off the skids and everyone gets reassigned.

I’m typing this from a Starbucks while we sit TNTV currently. We really just don’t care where it’s to.

If you continue to compare the way scheduling works to that of an airline, I’ll just continue to remind you that it’s not an airline. There are 300-525 revenue flights a day that are divided out according to location, fleet, duty remaining etc.

Your argument that scheduling isn’t the same as an airline is as relevant as looking at a penguin and reminding it that it can’t fly.

But boy can it swim.

Retractable

But can you just call your airline and stop for the day, go to the hotel without repercussion? Once maybe. Twice in a trip? I think not. You’d be raising eyebrows. 3 times and you’d likely have a sit down with your Chief Pilot.

That’s total control that NetJets pilots have actually.

It’s that control that scheduling is well aware of and because of that reality, those changes and craziness are kept to a minimum of possible.

Not always, but as often as possible.

Total control.

flyboy041

When you are on the road, you are on reserve.

flyboy041

Oh you mean like Guard? Seriously, do you ever get sick of your own sh!t? Pilots at the majors don’t need to call in fatigue twice a trip! Because their QOL on the road is so much better than Netjets that they rarely have the need to call fatigue! Why in the world would you need to call fatigue when you work a 8 hour day and have a 17 hour overnight? And to answer your question, yes they have no fault fatigue policy just like Netjets. At Southwest, if you are on the trip and call in fatigue, you still get pay for your original trips. So stop spewing your crap.

Flyfalcons

I think it's fair to say that if you must know where each of your overnights are going to be while on the road, then NJA is not going to be for you. You know what day you go to work and what day you are "supposed" to be home. If you don't make it home on that calendar day, even by one minute, then you get paid handsomely for the inconvenience, plus time recovery at the beginning of your next trip.

I remember back in my regional days when on reserve, where we had days off that were not guaranteed. I could have three days of reserve ahead of me before some "soft" days off, and be called in for a four day trip. I also remember you could fly into your first calendar day off, up to 2am, and it would still be considered a full day off. What a major pain that was, and I would have to imagine that type of scheduling has been eliminated amongst regional 121 carriers in more recent years (and hopefully completely nonexistent at the majors).

Twofiddyatten

My only fatigue was met with zero issues what so ever and I was pay protected.

The workload difference between NJA and my airline is night and day different. I don't get fatigued on the road like I did at NJA. My layovers are longer, my work days are shorter, the work I do is much less, if there is a pairing that starts too early I step trade out of it, and I haven't even seen a red eye on my schedule in 2 years, which was when I bid for it on purpose to get Christmas off.

I routinely fatigued once a tour at NJA because I was legitimately exhausted from the clock flips, long duty days, short overnights, poor quality rest due to bad hotels depending on where you ended up, hard working conditions etc.

Pilots have been fired for excessive fatigues at NJA, and many have been called in and given the talk, so it isn't really truly non Jeopardy.

Honestly, why would I call my airline and ask to stop and go to the hotel when I fly 1 or 2 legs, with 19 hours off when I land? NJA needs that in place for the 4-5 legs a day, each day onslaught that is NJA scheduling. Combine that workload with min rest overnights and absolutely you need to be able to call and put a stop to it.