Not sure, it was posted on another message board, which I think was taken from one of the job sites

I have no connection to Lyon whatsoever, so no skin in the game aside from trying to help people advance their careers. And $50k/$75k is a lot better than what George A pays, plus you get multi turbine time.

 

agreed. true that.

 

please go to the lyon page for this

 

The devil is in the details. 75k is only a number. I personally hated my experience working for a company as small as Lyon (note: I did not work for Lyon, just a charter operator of the same size) When I went to PS, I was glad to be working for a larger company for various reasons. That being said...you could just as easily make 86k first year at a regional with that 1700 hrs. When I left PS, I was on track to be over 100K for the year.

But whatever. Maybe it actually is awesome.




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Once you have 1500 hours you should be at the airlines, but making $50k in the right seat of a jet when you have 750 hours is waaaay better than I had it, and way better experience than flying a Pilatus. I worked for a sister company of Lyon a while back, and while it wasn't the best job ever it was better than Planesense and way better for the logbook.

 

Worked for PS for about 7 years...
They have never been about good pay, or good time to add to your logbook...
It WAS always quality of life...
But as the company grew and moved, even that became more marginal... higher utilization rates, longer days, and fewer "good" layovers made it more of just a job..the BS levels, once minimal, grew, and many folks frankly could not wait till move on.

For some people it's the right job, but it us certainly not the fast track experience wise to move up career wise, and IMO it's more like a holding pattern, and when the quality of life was great, there was nothing wrong with that....some of the flying was certainly "fun", with the occasional grass strip, and many very small (for a turboprop) marginal airports that we often operated from, struggling to keep adequate levels of customer service, having to do self service lavatory servicing (it cannot sit overnight, especially in the summer, and if there isn't an FBO), buying coffee a at DD, and poring into pots when needed and getting ice at a grocery store/gas station some AM's, you need to both be flexible, think on your feet and not be afraid to get your hands dirty.

Maybe things have changed, but the few times I have bumped into crews, it seems like it hasn't.
Hopefully the internal politics have gotten better, cause it was way too easy to get caught in the crossfire, and be considered collateral damage, and for management to find a reason to walk you to the door.
Sure, I understand that MOST of the management has changed, and I would assume most of the training department (those who can't do teach was once the motto, or so it seemed)...
Land off center on a grass strip in a pc-12 and put a plane into cornfields, you get a promotion...think the same happened after landing long and hitting a blast fence with a tailwind Bridgeport with a contaminated runway....go figure.
Sure the lawyers will ask this post be removed...
Did I mention they bought a law firm and brought it in-house, and that was when things changed?!

 

Better for the logbook? Nah. This could be debated ad infinitum, but I'd say the common consensus is that turbine PIC is much more valuable than SIC time anywhere.

At an average charter jet company, you'll never get same experience as you do at the PC12 operators. Flying 7 leg days shooting 3-4 approaches to 1800RVR, flying VFR to one of the most challenging airports in the world, getting trained in a level D sim, things like these are almost unheard of in the 135 jet charter world (although they do exist).
All while getting paid more than 50k.

Sorry, not buying.

 

That touchdown was past the 1000ft markings...for the opposite runway.

 

So someone with 750 hours at Planesense makes more than $50k? That is awesome to hear that things have changed!

The rest of your post is 100% incorrect. Once you get away from the blue coolaide, you'll understand.

 

What is the “one of the most challenging airports in the world” you refer to?