BartMancuso

Well that's just bad luck. How long were you at Planesense?

Pilot4000

Over 5 years.

My point is that the above poster said that training contracts are very common in the 91/135 world, and I was pointing out they are not. Using the stick vs the carrot to get people to stay is an antiquated method, but one that George A won't get away from.

OFT1

Where are the PC-12 Captains going? Are they getting calls from legacies/ Majors?

99842

Anybody at Plane Sense know if there are any ex-ATA folks on the property?
Thanks

Pilot4000

There was one guy when I worked there. He is no longer there that I'm aware of. Initials are JB

glitchy

I've just read the last 18 years(!) of posts in this thread, and two things didn't come up despite being things that other 91K people complain about:

1) Are the customers ever a hassle? They barely get mentioned in this thread, and I know there are always going to be a few entitled jerks in the mix but on the whole do they sit down and chill out? (I know somebody who complains a lot about his NJ pax, but some people will complain no matter what.)

2) Is there ever significant pressure to overload? People at, uhh, another large PC-12 operator talk a lot about being pushed to (or over) the edge on W&B, and I figure that's probably from running an 8-seat layout for scheduled 135. What PC-12 numbers I can find don't look bad at all for six even with a solid fuel load.

Thanks for everybody who's contributed here, reading through the whole thread was an interesting look into the ups and downs of the company over the years. I was in the PSM pattern the other day when there was a stack of PS departures, and y'all just sound so darned happy! (It was Wednesday afternoon, maybe everybody's start-of-week? I guess I should check out Tuesday night for the coming-home burnout crew.)

BartMancuso

1. The vast majority of the passengers are very nice and well mannered. Over the years we have had a very small number of owners who would let their tempers get the best of them when dealing with crews. The company keeps a close eye on these owners, and I've actually heard of some of the worst ones being asked to leave the program. Yes, most of them just sit down and chill out.

2. The company is VERY VERY serious about weight and balance. Every aircraft has a small scale and all bags are weighed. Nobody at the company would ever pressure pilots to fly overweight and 100% would back up a crews decision to leave bags behind due to weight. It actually happens a lot. Owners don't like it, they moan and complain maybe, but the planes never fly overweight. Anybody at that other large PC12 operator flying overweight is an idiot.

Yes Tuesdays and Wednesdays are cycle start days so you probably did hear some fresh souls headed out on day 1. They really have improved things the last couple years. We still have a lot of work to do, but QOL is pretty good right now.

glitchy

Thanks for the info, this is all good news but that one in particular is a pleasant surprise. I feel like attitudes like that come from the top, too, which is a plus for George A in my book. (I've heard plenty of complaints about him, but usually about business and QoL stuff and not the actual flying.)

Byrdman1240

Anyone know if PS is still doing Direct Entry Captains or is everyone starting in the left seat including retired airline types.

Byrdman1240

I meant right seat. Thx