Legacy Airline vs Fractional
08-05-2022, 06:57 PM
#221
Mmmm wine
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: A220 FO
Posts: 945
Originally Posted by Deserthusker
If money defines your definition of quality of life then yes. I think that’s why you get so much push back on here. Just an observation. Everyone’s definition of quality of life is not the same. Having a set schedule for a year in advance is worth the loss in income… for ME.
The reality is, we should all want as much money as possible with the most time off. Right?
08-05-2022, 07:40 PM
#222
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 237
Originally Posted by MinRest
Money doesn't define quality of my life, my time off does and I get more time off now than I did at NJA. I get pushback on here because inevitably the topic of airlines versus NJA always comes up and NJA pilots simply don't like hearing somebody else's perspective. Those at NJA commenting on how terrible the airlines are, haven't worked for an airline in over a decade, in fact it's close to two decades.
The reality is, we should all want as much money as possible with the most time off. Right?
The reality is, we should all want as much money as possible with the most time off. Right?
I think the same can be said about some airline pilots that don’t like hearing that the airline life is not for everyone. I have friends that are at the airlines and hear their perspectives all the time. They don’t feel the need to repeatedly tell me that their income and time off is better than mine though. They are just happy that I have a job that works for me.
Wanting the most money for the most time off is legit but knowing exactly what days off for more than a month ahead of time versus more days off is a trade I and others are willing to make.
I think you will find the ones that are the most vocal about how much the airlines suck and how much they are making at NJA (on the CC76 with extended days..no thank you) are the minority. The majority are on the 7/7 making a decent wage enjoying their time off.
08-06-2022, 06:04 AM
#223
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 199
Originally Posted by Das Auto
The problem with minrest is that he's incapable of posting a candid non biased opinion. For example, NetJets is soul crushing? Trucker hotels? Like the Grand Hyatt we stay at in San Diego for example? I don't remember seeing any truckers there the last time I walked around seaport village.
There are pros and cons which have been beaten to death ad nauseam on here. The truth is that legacy 121 is the better option for some whereas the cons associated with the airlines make fractional a better choice for others. Both are good options all things considered and neither are "soul destroying" as per the APC forums drama queen with multiple aliases and alter ego's, AKA Minrest!
There are pros and cons which have been beaten to death ad nauseam on here. The truth is that legacy 121 is the better option for some whereas the cons associated with the airlines make fractional a better choice for others. Both are good options all things considered and neither are "soul destroying" as per the APC forums drama queen with multiple aliases and alter ego's, AKA Minrest!
There’s no harm in that on the surface but the years spent focusing on hate of the company that simply hired him and the pilots who work there still who have made NetJets our employment home filled with work family is truly time wasted on him.
Years lost.
…As I type this from my hotel at the Hilton, on a 17 hour overnight…
MinRest is the perfect example of someone who needs structure where there is none. He needs a schedule. He needs absolute order in his life.
There is nothing wrong with that but NetJets doesn’t provide those things to pilots who must have these things in their lives while working.
Pilots who work here develop the ability to be self sufficient and free thinking problem solvers.
We have deep keels.
MinRest knows he’ll be at in LAX at 1700.
PS. We have seen some pilots (younger pilots) coming to NetJets from first and second tier airlines. NJA simply appeals to them more.
08-06-2022, 06:04 AM
#224
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 5
Originally Posted by Flyfalcons
That is correct. All scheduling and pay/overtime rules apply. I once made four daily rates (2.5 for an extended day plus 1.5 for working a holiday) to do a 2 hour airline and go to the hotel.
08-06-2022, 06:33 AM
#226
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 684
Originally Posted by MinRest
Money doesn't define quality of my life, my time off does and I get more time off now than I did at NJA. I get pushback on here because inevitably the topic of airlines versus NJA always comes up and NJA pilots simply don't like hearing somebody else's perspective.
The reality is, we should all want as much money as possible with the most time off. Right?
The reality is, we should all want as much money as possible with the most time off. Right?
You get pushback on here because you continue to spread lies with your petty grievance that you just can't let go. 3 leg airline on day one from a major hub like OAK or SFO? Nonsense. The company wouldn't risk the missed connections and having you stranded at the airport. You generate revenue flying NetJets aircraft, not sitting in the back of an airbus.
08-06-2022, 07:23 AM
#227
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,016
Originally Posted by MinRest
Yes it would 100%.
7 on 7 off gets you around 15 days on, 15 days off (clearly varies a couple days here and there given the number of days in a month) and is fairly comparable to most airline schedules per month. If you compare that to an airline schedule, major and legacies will edge out compensation compared to NJA. Add in the fact that upgrades right now are significantly faster at every major/legacy aside from SWA your compensation goes considerably higher, quicker. Where you start making better money is if you do 76 long tour schedules at NJA which could potentially put you at 20 days a month (with an 18 day month the following) but averaging around 19 working says a month. Airline schedules once you get a couple years in, start to get pretty decent in terms of being able to get what you want and manipulate it to suit your needs with again, 13-15 days a month.
The bottom line being, if 19 days a month at NJA starts getting you to where your compensation starts to come close to airline schedules working 13-15 days a month, you can typically factor in commuting to those and still edge out the hardest working NJA schedule while making more money.
7 on 7 off gets you around 15 days on, 15 days off (clearly varies a couple days here and there given the number of days in a month) and is fairly comparable to most airline schedules per month. If you compare that to an airline schedule, major and legacies will edge out compensation compared to NJA. Add in the fact that upgrades right now are significantly faster at every major/legacy aside from SWA your compensation goes considerably higher, quicker. Where you start making better money is if you do 76 long tour schedules at NJA which could potentially put you at 20 days a month (with an 18 day month the following) but averaging around 19 working says a month. Airline schedules once you get a couple years in, start to get pretty decent in terms of being able to get what you want and manipulate it to suit your needs with again, 13-15 days a month.
The bottom line being, if 19 days a month at NJA starts getting you to where your compensation starts to come close to airline schedules working 13-15 days a month, you can typically factor in commuting to those and still edge out the hardest working NJA schedule while making more money.
08-06-2022, 07:57 AM
#228
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 199
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
pretty accurate summation EXCEPT for legacy pay “edging out” netjets, flex jet etc. the difference is substantial and shouldn’t be minimized in a comparison discussion.
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