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Old 08-11-2016, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by germanaviator View Post
Just curious: Why do you think NJA are not happy with the Phenoms?


Primarily the braking issues. Nothing like multiple runway overruns to give the passengers a lot of confidence in the airplane.


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Old 08-11-2016, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by skydisaster View Post
Primarily the braking issues. Nothing like multiple runway overruns to give the passengers a lot of confidence in the airplane.


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I'm curious about these. Have the overruns been due to trying to make a pretty landing (float) and ignoring dry/wet numbers?
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:47 AM
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I'm curious about these. Have the overruns been due to trying to make a pretty landing (float) and ignoring dry/wet numbers?


It's more complicated than that. It's a single wheel airplane, with no T/R's, and a computer controlled braking system that functions differently than most other airplanes. It seems to work well with dry runways, but when runways are contaminated, the system leaves a lot to be desired.


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Old 08-11-2016, 09:31 AM
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Saw my first NJA Phenom in SFO a few weeks ago... All NJA bashing aside, I wasn't impressed with the look or size of it. It looks cheap and not something I'm used to seeing with a QS on the tail.

Do guys enjoy flying it, or is everyone trying to bid out

What kind of Vref speeds and landing distances does it have? What's its MTOW?
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:59 AM
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by skydisaster View Post
It's more complicated than that. It's a single wheel airplane, with no T/R's, and a computer controlled braking system that functions differently than most other airplanes. It seems to work well with dry runways, but when runways are contaminated, the system leaves a lot to be desired.


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So is there anything being done about it? Policy changes and operating procedures? From a pilot perspective not a desirable plane either I wouldn't think. With these problems does NJ plane to operate these things indefinitely?
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Old 08-11-2016, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun View Post
Saw my first NJA Phenom in SFO a few weeks ago... All NJA bashing aside, I wasn't impressed with the look or size of it. It looks cheap and not something I'm used to seeing with a QS on the tail.

Do guys enjoy flying it, or is everyone trying to bid out

What kind of Vref speeds and landing distances does it have? What's its MTOW?
Have you seen the XLs lately? Very versatile airplane but I have seen several on the ramps lately that look beat up and dirty. Obviously they are well used and a busy fleet, but, like the Xs, they are looking their age...

The Latitude will be a great airplane for passengers and pilots IMO.
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Old 08-11-2016, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy View Post
Have you seen the XLs lately? Very versatile airplane but I have seen several on the ramps lately that look beat up and dirty. Obviously they are well used and a busy fleet, but, like the Xs, they are looking their age...

The Latitude will be a great airplane for passengers and pilots IMO.
Haven't seen the XLS's or X's even. I do hear an occasional X on the radio..

Just from the outside, Cessna products "look" more sturdy and of better quality than the Embraer. I wouldn't doubt the Latitude would be a more suitable a/c. Too bad Sokol opted for the cheaper products.
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Old 08-11-2016, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun View Post
Haven't seen the XLS's or X's even. I do hear an occasional X on the radio..

Just from the outside, Cessna products "look" more sturdy and of better quality than the Embraer. I wouldn't doubt the Latitude would be a more suitable a/c. Too bad Sokol opted for the cheaper products.
The Legacy 450/500 looks more solid and they are both high tech and excellent performers.
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Old 08-12-2016, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun View Post

Do guys enjoy flying it, or is everyone trying to bid out
They are understaffed for captains in the Phenom, but overstaffed in the other aircraft categories--that should tell you something. They just put out a captain-only captain bid (i.e., no FOs allowed to bid) for the Phenom, but I doubt they'll get any takers. So they'll displace people into it, but I imagine they will bid out at the first opportunity...

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