OpenClimb

Pictures please.

ULLI

He probably chocked on his donut this morning seeing the aip

ReserveCA

Jet Blue AIP is a bare MINIMUM....
Plus FULL RETRO TO APRIL 2016...

V1 McFlyerson

So, is the ask being upped?

With this AIP a B6 CA will make (averaged over the scale) 69% more than an F9 CA does currently, 61% Excluding the first 5 years.

Oh, 5 years. That rings a bell. That's the contract duration the company/NC came up with for us.

So we'll be living with the further embarrassment of being an F9 pilot for 8 years.

Why is anyone talking about upping the ask? Did I read a hint of that in Alpa's last email? Has the union given any indication that they are going to raise our b.s. LTD, Duration, Rates, Overrides, Minimum CALENDAR day, and DC from our initial ask, some of which they've already unbelievably agreed to.

"Of the 32 ALPA airlines that offer LTD...", "and pilot surveys showed that this goal was not a priority for this round of negotiations(FFT NC)."

It's easy to list our bullet points. You don't even have to separate the company and the union's asks.

- B.S. Scope
- B.S. Rates
- B.S. Insurance already agreed to by the NC (working spouse/kids surcharge) Because you know... It's not important to the group in the survey.

- B.S. LTD Because that'd be expensive. I love what Indigo/F9 Alpa considers expensive compared to all the other Airbus operators.

- B.S. Drops

- B.S. Contract Duration

JetBlue FOs are going to making 77% more than F9 FOs.


What is it about F9? Is it battered wife syndrome over it's rough past? Is it Stockholm Syndrome? This pilot group is way too nice; reference the 300 hour thread.

V1 McFlyerson

Scary Barry's going to be eating cake for a loooooong time if we don't get off our asses.



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Salukipilot4590

Good God that chick's hot.

FlyingR6

So do we need to be flooding our reps and the NC with emails stating the current ask isn't enough?

It was barely palatable before Spirit and JB got theirs. (Yes I know JBs isn't all done). Now, there is no way the current F9 ask is enough for me.

I'm assuming the response is going to be along the lines of, "it will look bad". Yeah, well it'll look bad when they give us something to vote on, and it goes down in flames.

RustyChain

I think/hope the strategy is to sit tight with our ask and wait to get released asap. Any change in ask could delay that. Once we have leverage we can up the ask because they all know that they need it to pass a vote.

The worst thing the company could do now is give us our ask, then we would have no recourse if we turn it down.

PowerMan

^^^^ This...

It may not even be an intentional strategy by our NC/ALPA, likely not. But the reasonable ask may be the catalyst for release. Once that happens it doesn’t matter what the ask was, we have complete control over whether the clock runs out and after that, whether we come back to work.

Rusty is correct, the worst case is that we are offered at or near ask. To quote the great Eddie Vedder, “Release Me!!!”

ColdWhiskey

Our ask was given a long time ago. The company has drug this out so long that our original ask is no longer valid or enough.

Our ask should not have been a number, but rather a formula based on the average of our peer airlines. That way, our ask would be moving up as our peers inked new agreements. This would have penalized our management's delay tactics.

I'm telling my reps that "Last to last is not good enough!!"

Let me repeat that.

"Last to last is not good enough!!"