Aero1900

This is exactly my concern. The worst thing that could happen would be for us to narrowly vote it down. If we resoundingly vote it down, that would be great, but narrowly would be bad. We will get pennies more and never catch up to TA1

ToddChavez

and you're doing the exact opposite. What if it's 2 years? You do realize there are more factors pointing to indigo being able to wait.

butthert

Good point Todd. These no voters are instant experts - just add keyboard

Trowserchilli

then they would have waited 2 years now.

DENpilot

I guess you don't understand cost/benefit. What exactly makes you think Indigo is so desparate to get this done?

There are exactly 2 scenarios where we get exactly what we want.

1. We get released and strike. (Clearly, never happening)

2. Indigo is unable to fill classes, less than 10 showing up every month. Line values are averaging 90 hours+. ALL vacations being canceled. JA/VJA is at 15/hours a day. 20+ flights a day are cancelling for no crew to fly them.


and scenario 2 assumes that Indigo doesn't say screw it and cease all deliveries to us, and continues to sell our airplanes to leasing companies who will then give them to other airlines.

I like BIG Bus

Fear is a powerful tool. And I get it. You bring up valid although a little far fetched fears. And if that scares you into voting this in, then so be it.

This pilot group was coerced into extending this current bankruptcy POS contract with promises of making them whole once the company was turned around and profitable. Due to loose language and semantics that didn’t happen! This management team since the word go has been siphoning as much money from this group as they can, and this AIP continues that siphoning. This offer was crap when it was forced down Spirit’s throat and it’s even worse now that they are trying to cram it down our throat.

You can take it in the shorts if you want, but this agreement on the “highlights” alone falls short of anything palatable for me. Everything agreed to is well below industry avg. including the phantom industry leading PBS, because it doesn’t exist. It’s a promise from a proven bunch of liars. I wouldn’t be surprised if it states, we will implement all agreed upon language for PBS, “in good faith”.

DrJekyll MrHyde

Cool. Thanks for assuming I meant everyone that disagrees with me. Who is it that disagrees with me again? Oh yeah, that’s right, I haven’t made a decision yet.

You’ve been a real peach lately, you’re usually a bit more rational. Here’s some unsolicited advice: remove the stick and retire your position as the “No Vote Slayer.”

Most people are going to get the same additional information that you and I have gotten from the mouths of the our union officers. I appreciate the concise information you are relaying, but you can drop the attitude.

These agreements are worth a great deal of money, if you believe that our counterparts on the opposite side of the table don’t have a presence on this forum, then I feel happy for you. Ignorance is bliss.

Aero1900

Dr. Jekyll,

Point taken. I certainly didn't mean to have any attitude on here. I think I'm about the only person on here who never attacks others.

I sincerely appreciate your undecided position. Waiting to wrap your mind around the full TA is unquestionably the right move.

I still don't think that there are management trolls on here, but obviously I could be wrong.

Wheelswatch

This scares the hell out of me to be honest. These guys are beyond shrewd. There is no way our beloved (yet novice) negotiators pulled the wool over their eyes. Just no way!

If the company gave the impression that they were bumblingly giving up stuff, it's because they wanted to give that impression. And the only reason they would want to give that impression is because they fully intend to conduct a bait-and-switch later.

Mark these words here, and I take no pleasure in being right. The company has never honored their agreements with labor, why would they in the future?

Leslie Chow

.....and some business experience.

Not one single person who I know that has ever run a business and actually met a bottom line is jumping up and down in support of this AIP, exclaiming that “we better take it” and “this is the best we’re going to get” (I am sure there might be a few out there, but I don’t know them).

However, there are plenty who have never done anything but operate a piece of heavy equipment and who couldn’t tell you the actual difference between profit and margin who DO jump up and down and DO make those very exclamations.