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fcoolaiddrinker 11-20-2020 09:48 PM

As a life long commuter it really doesn’t bother me. Getting a real place in domicile is key. If you can do 20 plus credit in 3 days then have 4 off who cares? It’s better than 4 on 3 off. If you make the most of your time away from work during those 3 days in domicile it’s better than a hotel on a trip.

SFA320 11-20-2020 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingR6 (Post 3161573)
Were merging with Allegiant, you heard it here first!

For real, not too reassuring to hear management talk about how it wont be good for commuters before any new base is actually announced.

I’m really curious how you block 14-16 hours a day, doing only day turns. When I was hired here it was all about high aircraft utilization. Something about if your multi million dollar assets isn’t flying, it’s not making money. Now here we are. Day turns are working now while demand is low, but when it returns I believe we will go back to high utilization and lower on-time performance numbers.
If I learned anything since being here, those talks with executives in ground school are HIGHLY subject to change.

Margaritaville 11-21-2020 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingR6 (Post 3161573)
Were merging with Allegiant, you heard it here first!

I know you're joking, but the only way you are "merging" with Allegiant is if Indigo sells you to Allegiant. That's called an acquisition, not a merger. By the way, we are Teamsters, not ALPA.

Our stock price is currently $156, and the founder owns ~25% of it, so anyone hoping to buy us would have to come up with a huge premium above that already overvalued price. However, Allegiant has been wide open that they are flush with cash, and on the prowl for bargains. They made money all summer because of the CARES. Doubled their cash position. Now bragging they are cash neutral to slightly profitable.

I think if anything, they will make a play for American or its assets when they go bankrupt, and if that doesn't happen, try to buy out Frontier. Whether Frontier gets assimilated or dissolved in that situation, nobody could guess.

Or, the most likely option, Allegiant will continue to ignore all competition and industry norms, and continue to run their rusty 20 year old playbook of flying big planes to places nobody lives at , and still filling them up. Either way, it's very unlikely anyone is merging with or buying Allegiant.

Back to the topic, I wouldn't be surprised to see Frontier wade into already saturated markets like TPA/PIE, RSW/PGD, or PHX/IWA that we already serve. It kind of seems to be their thing to eat the leftovers.

Pilottim79 11-21-2020 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3161650)
I know you're joking, but the only way you are "merging" with Allegiant is if Indigo sells you to Allegiant. That's called an acquisition, not a merger. By the way, we are Teamsters, not ALPA.

Our stock price is currently $156, and the founder owns ~25% of it, so anyone hoping to buy us would have to come up with a huge premium above that already overvalued price. However, Allegiant has been wide open that they are flush with cash, and on the prowl for bargains. They made money all summer because of the CARES. Doubled their cash position. Now bragging they are cash neutral to slightly profitable.

I think if anything, they will make a play for American or its assets when they go bankrupt, and if that doesn't happen, try to buy out Frontier. Whether Frontier gets assimilated or dissolved in that situation, nobody could guess.

Or, the most likely option, Allegiant will continue to ignore all competition and industry norms, and continue to run their rusty 20 year old playbook of flying big planes to places nobody lives at , and still filling them up. Either way, it's very unlikely anyone is merging with or buying Allegiant.

Back to the topic, I wouldn't be surprised to see Frontier wade into already saturated markets like TPA/PIE, RSW/PGD, or PHX/IWA that we already serve. It kind of seems to be their thing to eat the leftovers.


This guy just coming in looking for a fight. How about you guys just finish your failed resort first before you buy Frontier.

FlyingR6 11-21-2020 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3161650)
I know you're joking, but the only way you are "merging" with Allegiant is if Indigo sells you to Allegiant. That's called an acquisition, not a merger. By the way, we are Teamsters, not ALPA.

Our stock price is currently $156, and the founder owns ~25% of it, so anyone hoping to buy us would have to come up with a huge premium above that already overvalued price. However, Allegiant has been wide open that they are flush with cash, and on the prowl for bargains. They made money all summer because of the CARES. Doubled their cash position. Now bragging they are cash neutral to slightly profitable.

I think if anything, they will make a play for American or its assets when they go bankrupt, and if that doesn't happen, try to buy out Frontier. Whether Frontier gets assimilated or dissolved in that situation, nobody could guess.

Or, the most likely option, Allegiant will continue to ignore all competition and industry norms, and continue to run their rusty 20 year old playbook of flying big planes to places nobody lives at , and still filling them up. Either way, it's very unlikely anyone is merging with or buying Allegiant.

Sir, this is a Wendy's

Margaritaville 11-21-2020 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 3161658)
This guy just coming in looking for a fight. How about you guys just finish your failed resort first before you buy Frontier.

Good one! What else you got? I'm really just screwing with you guys. You know that. This is APC. Now where'd I leave that stapler?


Originally Posted by FlyingR6 (Post 3161664)
Sir, this is a Wendy's

Uh… what kind of food do you have here…?

Powderkeg 11-21-2020 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3161672)
Uh… what kind of food do you have here…?

Apples...

Allegiant can barely afford to light their name on the side of that stadium in Vegas, let alone “buy” an airline that isn’t for sale.

How do you like them apples?

TOGALOCK 11-21-2020 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3161650)
I know you're joking, but the only way you are "merging" with Allegiant is if Indigo sells you to Allegiant. That's called an acquisition, not a merger. By the way, we are Teamsters, not ALPA.

Our stock price is currently $156, and the founder owns ~25% of it, so anyone hoping to buy us would have to come up with a huge premium above that already overvalued price. However, Allegiant has been wide open that they are flush with cash, and on the prowl for bargains. They made money all summer because of the CARES. Doubled their cash position. Now bragging they are cash neutral to slightly profitable.

I think if anything, they will make a play for American or its assets when they go bankrupt, and if that doesn't happen, try to buy out Frontier. Whether Frontier gets assimilated or dissolved in that situation, nobody could guess.

Or, the most likely option, Allegiant will continue to ignore all competition and industry norms, and continue to run their rusty 20 year old playbook of flying big planes to places nobody lives at , and still filling them up. Either way, it's very unlikely anyone is merging with or buying Allegiant.

Back to the topic, I wouldn't be surprised to see Frontier wade into already saturated markets like TPA/PIE, RSW/PGD, or PHX/IWA that we already serve. It kind of seems to be their thing to eat the leftovers.

...Allegiant buying American!? Holy margarita induced hope Batman! Acquiring some of their old, clapped out 319s to continue your service to exciting and popular destinations such as Billings, MT and Peoria, IL? Sure. (pro tip: the FBO at PIA has free popcorn). In the meantime, we’ll continue to triple our fleet size, to include long range narrow bodies, and expand to destinations like St. Thomas, Cozumel and places in Central America. Speaking of long range narrow bodies... Remember when you guys tried to play around with 757s? That ended about as well as pulling a fire alarm in a nursing home.

Margaritaville 11-21-2020 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Powderkeg (Post 3161683)
Apples...

Allegiant can barely afford to light their name on the side of that stadium in Vegas, let alone “buy” an airline that isn’t for sale.

How do you like them apples?


Originally Posted by TOGALOCK (Post 3161691)
...Allegiant buying American!? Holy margarita induced hope Batman! Acquiring some of their old, clapped out 319s to continue your service to exciting and popular destinations such as Billings, MT and Peoria, IL? Sure. (pro tip: the FBO at PIA has free popcorn). In the meantime, we’ll continue to triple our fleet size, to include long range narrow bodies, and expand to destinations like St. Thomas, Cozumel and places in Central America. Speaking of long range narrow bodies... Remember when you guys tried to play around with 757s? That ended about as well as pulling a fire alarm in a nursing home.

You're right. This place is a dump. I'm going back to the bar now. :D

TOGALOCK 11-21-2020 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3161695)
You're right. This place is a dump. I'm going back to the bar now. :D

Well, we may work for different airlines, but we both still work for the airlines... Keep that seat next to you open when you get to the bar. I’ll be there shortly. 😁


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