Hiring / training
04-19-2019 | 07:17 AM
#372
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,760
Likes: 106
From: 1900D CA
That's a good question for sure. I think there is no doubt that guys are picking up a lot more open time now that the pay rates make open time much more appealing. Plus, with the contract settled, there's no shame in snagging open time trips.
How long will it last? I imagine a year or so? From what I can tell, this is the reason for the slowdown in hiring.
Interestingly, I ran into a training dept guy yesterday and he showed we the current fleet growth and hiring projections. New aircraft deliveries are running about 8 weeks behind schedule due to CFM production delays, but we are still projecting to add a net 17 airframes in 2019 and hire over 300 pilots.
How long will it last? I imagine a year or so? From what I can tell, this is the reason for the slowdown in hiring.
Interestingly, I ran into a training dept guy yesterday and he showed we the current fleet growth and hiring projections. New aircraft deliveries are running about 8 weeks behind schedule due to CFM production delays, but we are still projecting to add a net 17 airframes in 2019 and hire over 300 pilots.
04-20-2019 | 01:59 AM
#375
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,451
Likes: 24
From: Airplanes
Just because a corporate operator takes a hit from losing a pilot on short notice does not mean they are poorly run. Many great corporate jobs only have 1, 3 or 5 aircraft. A staff of 3 pilots may be plenty for 1 airplane to provide a decent schedule.
Many corporate pilots develop close relationships with their owners and fellow pilots, and simply don't wish to bail with a 2 week notice and leave their fellow pilots to pick up the slack.
Maybe their owner is about to send them to a $70K recurrent training course next month and they are trying to be considerate and not burn a bridge.
Fortune 400 flight departments are not like the regionals that will hire any goofball who walks thorough the door. Decent corporate operators take time to hire the right person to fit their operation. Finding a new replacement for that one slot could take a month or more.
So an airline giving only a 2 week notice to attend class can create an uncomfortable situation for said pilot. Especially if he was told to expect a class less than a month away, then 3 weeks before they change their mind and give a date 2-3 months away.
Seems like the airline may be the ones with poor management and planning.
Many corporate pilots develop close relationships with their owners and fellow pilots, and simply don't wish to bail with a 2 week notice and leave their fellow pilots to pick up the slack.
Maybe their owner is about to send them to a $70K recurrent training course next month and they are trying to be considerate and not burn a bridge.
Fortune 400 flight departments are not like the regionals that will hire any goofball who walks thorough the door. Decent corporate operators take time to hire the right person to fit their operation. Finding a new replacement for that one slot could take a month or more.
So an airline giving only a 2 week notice to attend class can create an uncomfortable situation for said pilot. Especially if he was told to expect a class less than a month away, then 3 weeks before they change their mind and give a date 2-3 months away.
Seems like the airline may be the ones with poor management and planning.
04-20-2019 | 05:23 AM
#376
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 550
Likes: 0
Not if they are on a 135 certificate. Training a new pilot is a process, that requires time.
04-20-2019 | 05:54 AM
#377
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 514
Likes: 0
Yes, and when you know people dont want to stay, you as a manager need to budget for this. Remember this is business, and if the economy tanks, every single one of these places will furlough you if its best for the business.
04-20-2019 | 08:32 AM
#378
New Hire
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Maybe off topic so I apologize in advance. What is the thought about how implementing PBS will effect QOL for Frontier Pilots.
Will this process benefit the senior group more, the junior pilots, or will it be roughly the same net effect for all? Pros and cons to each side?
TMB
Will this process benefit the senior group more, the junior pilots, or will it be roughly the same net effect for all? Pros and cons to each side?
TMB
04-20-2019 | 10:08 AM
#379
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,771
Likes: 60
Maybe off topic so I apologize in advance. What is the thought about how implementing PBS will effect QOL for Frontier Pilots.
Will this process benefit the senior group more, the junior pilots, or will it be roughly the same net effect for all? Pros and cons to each side?
TMB
Will this process benefit the senior group more, the junior pilots, or will it be roughly the same net effect for all? Pros and cons to each side?
TMB
04-20-2019 | 10:14 AM
#380
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 618
Likes: 0
Maybe off topic so I apologize in advance. What is the thought about how implementing PBS will effect QOL for Frontier Pilots.
Will this process benefit the senior group more, the junior pilots, or will it be roughly the same net effect for all? Pros and cons to each side?
TMB
Will this process benefit the senior group more, the junior pilots, or will it be roughly the same net effect for all? Pros and cons to each side?
TMB
As a junior pilot stuck on perpetual reserve, a week of vacation may actually be the ticket to holding a line one month while there are a lot of guys senior to you on reserve. That was one thing that really bothered me about PBS at my previous airline, but it comes with the territory.
The senior pilots will get to cherry pick their trips and still take advantage (although not quite as much as current book) of working over their vacations.
In general I think we will see less trips available in open time and on the trade board because more people will get what they want in the initial bid.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
