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ULLI 01-17-2024 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3753703)
I have no doubt they're going to hire and maybe hire quite a few.

The question is whether they value the cadets or not. Let's say they have 40 per class. Let's say they allocate 10 slots to cadet hires per class. Let's say I'm #50 on the cadet list. That means I'm waiting 5 classes to get my foot in the door.

It's impossible to know where I fall on there, but in October they sent me an official offer with a date of march 19th. I don't know how that's going to change post-Feb cancellation. That's what is killing me. Maybe over the top, but all I can think about is receiving a phone call or email in April that the program is dissolving and I'm being released from the program and CJO.

You sound little desperate and self entitled. Their are people that have spent years trying to get an opportunity to fly at a major (regardless of the opinions here about frontier, it's still a major). The fact that experienced pilots (with better resumes most likely) are cutting in front of the cadets is a good thing. Meanwhile i recommend reading up on 121 ops, so you come here prepared. Your day will come, chill out.

HSCompressor 01-17-2024 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3753703)

The question is whether they value the cadets or not. Let's say they have 40 per class. Let's say they allocate 10 slots to cadet hires per class. Let's say I'm #50 on the cadet list. That means I'm waiting 5 classes to get my foot in the door..

Dude. Value cadets? There’s pilots on property making money for this company for half the benefits their peers are getting. And then they’re told we aren’t comparable for the same compensation standards.

So for many reasons, don’t cry too hard about your Cadet Program. You haven’t even gotten here yet.

fcoolaiddrinker 01-17-2024 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3753703)
I have no doubt they're going to hire and maybe hire quite a few.

The question is whether they value the cadets or not. Let's say they have 40 per class. Let's say they allocate 10 slots to cadet hires per class. Let's say I'm #50 on the cadet list. That means I'm waiting 5 classes to get my foot in the door.

It's impossible to know where I fall on there, but in October they sent me an official offer with a date of march 19th. I don't know how that's going to change post-Feb cancellation. That's what is killing me. Maybe over the top, but all I can think about is receiving a phone call or email in April that the program is dissolving and I'm being released from the program and CJO.

Your asking for sympathy from pilots your working against to some extent by providing leverage to management. Just let that sink in.

LifetimeCFI 01-17-2024 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3753711)
Dude... take a breath & relax. The attrition is 30-40 a month and everyone I know here minus a few people have apps out / interviews / waiting on class dates. Attrition will go up, not down. You have an offer for March so that's likely where you'll be. The company dissolving the cadet program will not happen, they can lock you in for longer since you guys generally have little to no turbine time.

Fair.


Originally Posted by ULLI (Post 3753719)
You sound little desperate and self entitled. Their are people that have spent years trying to get an opportunity to fly at a major (regardless of the opinions here about frontier, it's still a major). The fact that experienced pilots (with better resumes most likely) are cutting in front of the cadets is a good thing. Meanwhile i recommend reading up on 121 ops, so you come here prepared. Your day will come, chill out.

Little desperate? Quite possibly. My personal living situation is not sustainable and im on borrowed time, original jan/feb class date was a nice ticket out of that. Since I'm waiting on class date, I can't take a job that would pay more or I have to give up the CJO. I'm sure it'll all work out but it's just a tad bit stressful being in the dark.

Entitled? Don't mean to come across that way. I'm not asking to be placed #1, I'm just hoping to know our fate sometime soon. Any clarity would be nice.

If you have readings to recommend, I'd love to hear about it. So far, I've been poking through The Turbine Pilot's Manual and Flying the Line.

fivebyfive 01-17-2024 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3753703)
I have no doubt they're going to hire and maybe hire quite a few.

The question is whether they value the cadets or not. Let's say they have 40 per class. Let's say they allocate 10 slots to cadet hires per class. Let's say I'm #50 on the cadet list. That means I'm waiting 5 classes to get my foot in the door.

It's impossible to know where I fall on there, but in October they sent me an official offer with a date of march 19th. I don't know how that's going to change post-Feb cancellation. That's what is killing me. Maybe over the top, but all I can think about is receiving a phone call or email in April that the program is dissolving and I'm being released from the program and CJO.

Your only value to F9 is leverage for management to avoid signing an industry standard CBA. Once that CBA is signed, the Cadet program will be disolved.

Untill then, non Cadets will be mopped up and given class dates while they meter a few of you Cadets into each class. They know you don't have the experience to go anywhere else so you will be in a holding pin for insurance.

Stayontarget 01-17-2024 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3753703)
I have no doubt they're going to hire and maybe hire quite a few.

The question is whether they value the cadets or not. Let's say they have 40 per class. Let's say they allocate 10 slots to cadet hires per class. Let's say I'm #50 on the cadet list. That means I'm waiting 5 classes to get my foot in the door.

It's impossible to know where I fall on there, but in October they sent me an official offer with a date of march 19th. I don't know how that's going to change post-Feb cancellation. That's what is killing me. Maybe over the top, but all I can think about is receiving a phone call or email in April that the program is dissolving and I'm being released from the program and CJO.

As others have said it’s managements golden ticket to staffing. It’s not going anywhere. It’s just a matter of time. Embrace the soap opera of Frontier and this whole game becomes much more enjoyable.

ReserveCA 01-17-2024 12:35 PM

I heard there are 600 cadets in the program.....

VisionWings 01-17-2024 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by ReserveCA (Post 3753925)
I heard there are 600 cadets in the program.....

Last call 800+ and expected to be the majority of the hires going forward.

flyingpants 01-17-2024 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by VisionWings (Post 3753926)
Last call 800+ and expected to be the majority of the hires going forward.

I’ll probably get bashed for this but….

Is it in bad taste for ALPA to make ads and ask the cadets to not come here? I’m not trying to be mean or harsh, but it looks like what they’re doing (not on purpose of course) is delaying and hindering our chance to get a industry standard contract sometime soon.

loganeich 01-17-2024 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by fivebyfive (Post 3753797)
Your only value to F9 is leverage for management to avoid signing an industry standard CBA. Once that CBA is signed, the Cadet program will be disolved.

Untill then, non Cadets will be mopped up and given class dates while they meter a few of you Cadets into each class. They know you don't have the experience to go anywhere else so you will be in a holding pin for insurance.

Through class delays and the base changes, Frontier is causing a number of cadets with over 1500 to go elsewhere. The majority of people I interviewed with were midlde aged professionals(engineers, active jet pilots, etc.) with ATP minimums, so not a group that did not have options. If the wait is 9-12 months after meeting ATP minimums, my guess is about 50% will find employment elsewhere, especially if the regionals pick up hiring again.


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