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Old 01-20-2022, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzer View Post
I agree it's not bad. Is F9 making a profit right now?
Frontier hasn't released 4th Q results yet.

In Q3 we did a $23 million profit.
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Old 01-21-2022, 04:26 AM
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I've long believed that AA will go thru bankruptcy.

Labor groups will take substantial pay cuts. again.
Doesn’t seem to crazy too think airlines will over leverage themselves with pay to staff through their pilot shortage and reorganize in BK to reset rates once the pilot hiring wave ends. They have a history of filing BK to reset rates, doesn’t seem far fetched to expect the same in the next 5 years. Airlines love the ability to waive the 1113 motion in labor union’s faces

At that point, where are pilots going to go once the mass hiring need slows down? Nowhere.
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Old 01-21-2022, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
This thread is awesome.

The question asked was is Frontier imploding and the answer is; no, American is. Which is true. Frontier has all sorts of problems, but 50 Billion in debt ain't one.
And to think I almost didn’t take a look at the forums this morning. 🤣 Made me laugh out loud in my hotel room. Thanks for the pick me up to get going today! There are so many bone head comments nowadays on these forums that I don’t stop by much anymore but this gives me hope. 😎
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Old 01-21-2022, 05:56 AM
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And to think I almost didn’t take a look at the forums this morning. 🤣 Made me laugh out loud in my hotel room. Thanks for the pick me up to get going today! There are so many bone head comments nowadays on these forums that I don’t stop by much anymore but this gives me hope. 😎
Happy to be of service.

I'm not wrong, but glad I made your day brighter. AA is in a financial disaster situation. They've got over $50 Billion dollars of debt to service and interest rates are going to rise dramatically in the near future. Oh, and they are bleeding over $10 Million dollars a day on top of that.

Those debt payments are going to get harder and harder to pay as interest rates rise. But a quick trip thru Chapter 11 will help wipe some of that out... along with the labor contracts. You know, the same page we've read before.
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:00 AM
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Happy to be of service.

I'm not wrong, but glad I made your day brighter. AA is in a financial disaster situation. They've got over $50 Billion dollars of debt to service and interest rates are going to rise dramatically in the near future. Oh, and they are bleeding over $10 Million dollars a day on top of that.

Those debt payments are going to get harder and harder to pay as interest rates rise. But a quick trip thru Chapter 11 will help wipe some of that out... along with the labor contracts. You know, the same page we've read before.
What may be interesting is how much they can take from the pilots and still be able to fill spots. If they have to file during a hiring boom, they may have problems cutting too deep.
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:22 AM
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What may be interesting is how much they can take from the pilots and still be able to fill spots. If they have to file during a hiring boom, they may have problems cutting too deep.
Not if the price of crude rockets above $100 a barrel they might not . It’s affected by inflation too:


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Old 01-21-2022, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Not if the price of crude rockets above $100 a barrel they might not . It’s affected by inflation too:


Sheesh - you're so wrapped up in your AA butthurt that you didn't even read the guy's post before replying. And BTW, post some links instead of crappy partial screenshots when trolling PoA. I know older folks have a hard time with this technology thing, but it makes it easier to look at your source. Thanks!
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
Happy to be of service.

I'm not wrong, but glad I made your day brighter. AA is in a financial disaster situation. They've got over $50 Billion dollars of debt to service and interest rates are going to rise dramatically in the near future. Oh, and they are bleeding over $10 Million dollars a day on top of that.

Those debt payments are going to get harder and harder to pay as interest rates rise. But a quick trip thru Chapter 11 will help wipe some of that out... along with the labor contracts. You know, the same page we've read before.
Oh, you are absolutely correct! I remember when times were good before the pandemic watching the debt pile on at AA wondering how that’s gonna work out when (not if) the bottom falls out
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
Happy to be of service.

I'm not wrong, but glad I made your day brighter. AA is in a financial disaster situation. They've got over $50 Billion dollars of debt to service and interest rates are going to rise dramatically in the near future. Oh, and they are bleeding over $10 Million dollars a day on top of that.

Those debt payments are going to get harder and harder to pay as interest rates rise. But a quick trip thru Chapter 11 will help wipe some of that out... along with the labor contracts. You know, the same page we've read before.
Perhaps Aero…..but at least they don’t have a collective nemesis in their own CPO/flights Ops Mgt……..and in APA a union that actually defends its pilots………those are very big deals as more and more F9 pilots will find out over the next 24 months in the upswing to the next contract trench warfare…..
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:45 AM
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Perhaps Aero…..but at least they don’t have a collective nemesis in their own CPO/flights Ops Mgt……..and in APA a union that actually defends its pilots………those are very big deals as more and more F9 pilots will find out over the next 24 months in the upswing to the next contract trench warfare…..
imho
Exactly. We definitely have problems at AA - and certainly a run through chapter 11 is always looming - but crapping all over another carrier doesn't make your own problems go away. That crap you guys are getting over sick calls is complete BS. Wish you all the best of luck during negotiations, with all the movement and attrition it creates I bet you'll come out the back side of this just fine.
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