Excargodog

Nothing butthurt about it. I’m not an AA fanboy for sure, but ALL pilot groups will lose leverage if inflated oil prices drive up costs and drive down the economy. That’s true regardless of carrier. And if - given date, source, and title from a screenshot, you are unable to Google the article and locate it, I think it’s you that are having trouble with the ‘technology thing.’ I shouldn’t have to spoon feed knowledge to you. If you are interested you ought to be able to find it.

Try it once. Even if you fail, I’ll give you a nice participation trophy, 😊

DumboDrop

Back on topic. we have a huge problem with attrition. We won't be able to staff our growth plans if we can't retain our pilots. If we don't grow, that further exacerbates our problems because that "promise" is the main attraction for F9. Management should be doing everything they can to attract pilots. Instead, they have decided that pilots are the cause of their problems, and have decided to punish us. They are living in the past and without changing their paradigm will drive this place straight into the ground.

Aero1900

Listen, I have no burning desire to crap on AA.

This forum has a propensity to become an echo chamber and when people are having major career decisions influenced by short term, emotional responses on here, I often feel the desire to offer a counter point.

A lot of or pilots are (understandably) mad at the company right now and the desire to jump ship is high. I get it. But you damn well better think a decision like that through.

Other airlines are hiring like crazy and the grass sure looks green over there, but its worth it to think about what could go wrong before you start over again at the bottom. I frequently find myself offering a counterpoint on this forum just to cut thru the echo. It usually makes people mad, but you should really be aware of a company in a deep financial hole before you jump in.

biigD

It's trivial to provide the link. It's just as easy - easier than providing a screenshot in fact - and considered common curtesy on the internet. Not just to the reader, but to the source as well. But by all means boomer, keep up the good work in spewing the same stuff over and over on PoA. Gotta uphold that PoA reputation!

Aero1900

I think those are mostly fair points, just grossly exaggerated

And honestly, some amount of attrition will be leverage for us going into the next round of contracts talks. Supply and demand of pilot labor will be in our favor.

And just curious, Southwest canceled over 10,000 flights in December. Are they being driven straight into the ground? Or is it just us?

biigD

I think that's a good way to look at it. You think someone leaving for AA is an idiot (maybe I should be giving you my resume!) - but the fact of the matter is we're running classes of about 70 per week, and every single one of those folks is well aware of the debt. I just flew with two pilots that recently came over from JetBlue, and one did so after five years and lives in JetBlue's largest base. Now internally I'm thinking "bold move, Cotton" - but hey, it's a decision that's indicates today's market for pilots. People are doing all sorts of stuff that would have been unheard of just a few years ago.

Aero1900

I certainly didn't mean to say that if you go to AA you're an idiot. I just mainly wanted to make the counter point to all the guys wanting to bail out of Frontier, that the grass isn't necessarily always greener.

If i lived in and was raising my kids in Chicago, I'd bail the F out of Frontier asap. Everyone's situation is different, I just want people to fully think through decisions before giving up their seniority to start over.

TOGALOCK

This thread has certainly drifted, but not necessarily to a bad point of discussion with so many contemplating a career move. We should keep it going with more than just AA. What are the feelings about UAL’s financial health? DAL?

DumboDrop

Attrition is up eight fold this month.

CrayonEater

Although I don’t personally agree with a lot of things you say on here, I’m fully in agreement with the above. Examine all the facts as best you can before making a big decision. I say that and I’m leaving, but that might not be the best decision for everybody.