Base seniority/progression info
#121
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For example, in DEN, summer and winter flying are very different. You might go from mostly day turns to mostly multi day trips because of the season and not your seniority
#122
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Yes and no. Full disclosure, sometimes there are one or more savvy bidders that can skew the numbers a bit as is the case with Vegas. It’s more senior than it appears but a couple of people bid well. Or, there’s one in a class that gets a line where the rest of the individuals in that persons class did not as is the case with MIA. That person got a line but 22 people in their class beneath them didn’t.
So with LAS, it’s hard to tell the actual time it takes to hold a line is because that one person skews the data. I know on the previous post, it looks like it was taking a year to hold a line in LAS. Is this true for the majority of people? How does savvy bidding help that pilot get a line earlier?
#123
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So with LAS, it’s hard to tell the actual time it takes to hold a line is because that one person skews the data. I know on the previous post, it looks like it was taking a year to hold a line in LAS. Is this true for the majority of people? How does savvy bidding help that pilot get a line earlier?
#124
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There are 4 main things you can do to help get a line…
1. Waive minimum days off to 1.
NavBlue won’t build a line with day off blocks being less than 3 unless the pilot waives that. The downside is that you can wind up with a line with a single day off in between trips. That’s no fun as a commuter.
2. Waive 1 calendar day off in 7.
NavBlue won’t build a line without giving at least 1 calendar day off (00:00-23:59) in a 7 day stretch unless it’s waived. The FARs require 30 hours off in 7 days, but not necessarily a calendar day. The downside is that you can wind up with a line where you don’t get a whole day off in a 14 day period.
3. Waive no same day pairings.
NavBlue won’t build you a line with 2 separate pairings touching the same day. For example, if you finish at 7am on a redeye into base, NavBlue will not give you a 9pm report for a different pairing that same day, unless you waive that provision. The downside is that the resulting schedule could be quite fatiguing.
4. Bidding for a Reduced Lower Limit (RLL) line.
An RLL is a “mixed” or “buildup” line. It’s comprised of both trips and reserve days. You won’t be awarded one unless you ask for it, and even then only if you don’t have the seniority to hold a regular line.
1. Waive minimum days off to 1.
NavBlue won’t build a line with day off blocks being less than 3 unless the pilot waives that. The downside is that you can wind up with a line with a single day off in between trips. That’s no fun as a commuter.
2. Waive 1 calendar day off in 7.
NavBlue won’t build a line without giving at least 1 calendar day off (00:00-23:59) in a 7 day stretch unless it’s waived. The FARs require 30 hours off in 7 days, but not necessarily a calendar day. The downside is that you can wind up with a line where you don’t get a whole day off in a 14 day period.
3. Waive no same day pairings.
NavBlue won’t build you a line with 2 separate pairings touching the same day. For example, if you finish at 7am on a redeye into base, NavBlue will not give you a 9pm report for a different pairing that same day, unless you waive that provision. The downside is that the resulting schedule could be quite fatiguing.
4. Bidding for a Reduced Lower Limit (RLL) line.
An RLL is a “mixed” or “buildup” line. It’s comprised of both trips and reserve days. You won’t be awarded one unless you ask for it, and even then only if you don’t have the seniority to hold a regular line.
#125
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There are 4 main things you can do to help get a line…
1. Waive minimum days off to 1.
NavBlue won’t build a line with day off blocks being less than 3 unless the pilot waives that. The downside is that you can wind up with a line with a single day off in between trips. That’s no fun as a commuter.
2. Waive 1 calendar day off in 7.
NavBlue won’t build a line without giving at least 1 calendar day off (00:00-23:59) in a 7 day stretch unless it’s waived. The FARs require 30 hours off in 7 days, but not necessarily a calendar day. The downside is that you can wind up with a line where you don’t get a whole day off in a 14 day period.
3. Waive no same day pairings.
NavBlue won’t build you a line with 2 separate pairings touching the same day. For example, if you finish at 7am on a redeye into base, NavBlue will not give you a 9pm report for a different pairing that same day, unless you waive that provision. The downside is that the resulting schedule could be quite fatiguing.
4. Bidding for a Reduced Lower Limit (RLL) line.
An RLL is a “mixed” or “buildup” line. It’s comprised of both trips and reserve days. You won’t be awarded one unless you ask for it, and even then only if you don’t have the seniority to hold a regular line.
1. Waive minimum days off to 1.
NavBlue won’t build a line with day off blocks being less than 3 unless the pilot waives that. The downside is that you can wind up with a line with a single day off in between trips. That’s no fun as a commuter.
2. Waive 1 calendar day off in 7.
NavBlue won’t build a line without giving at least 1 calendar day off (00:00-23:59) in a 7 day stretch unless it’s waived. The FARs require 30 hours off in 7 days, but not necessarily a calendar day. The downside is that you can wind up with a line where you don’t get a whole day off in a 14 day period.
3. Waive no same day pairings.
NavBlue won’t build you a line with 2 separate pairings touching the same day. For example, if you finish at 7am on a redeye into base, NavBlue will not give you a 9pm report for a different pairing that same day, unless you waive that provision. The downside is that the resulting schedule could be quite fatiguing.
4. Bidding for a Reduced Lower Limit (RLL) line.
An RLL is a “mixed” or “buildup” line. It’s comprised of both trips and reserve days. You won’t be awarded one unless you ask for it, and even then only if you don’t have the seniority to hold a regular line.
#126
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this is great advice and my experience. Won’t do a day of reserve (for now) April class.
#127
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There are 4 main things you can do to help get a line…
1. Waive minimum days off to 1.
NavBlue won’t build a line with day off blocks being less than 3 unless the pilot waives that. The downside is that you can wind up with a line with a single day off in between trips. That’s no fun as a commuter.
2. Waive 1 calendar day off in 7.
NavBlue won’t build a line without giving at least 1 calendar day off (00:00-23:59) in a 7 day stretch unless it’s waived. The FARs require 30 hours off in 7 days, but not necessarily a calendar day. The downside is that you can wind up with a line where you don’t get a whole day off in a 14 day period.
3. Waive no same day pairings.
NavBlue won’t build you a line with 2 separate pairings touching the same day. For example, if you finish at 7am on a redeye into base, NavBlue will not give you a 9pm report for a different pairing that same day, unless you waive that provision. The downside is that the resulting schedule could be quite fatiguing.
4. Bidding for a Reduced Lower Limit (RLL) line.
An RLL is a “mixed” or “buildup” line. It’s comprised of both trips and reserve days. You won’t be awarded one unless you ask for it, and even then only if you don’t have the seniority to hold a regular line.
1. Waive minimum days off to 1.
NavBlue won’t build a line with day off blocks being less than 3 unless the pilot waives that. The downside is that you can wind up with a line with a single day off in between trips. That’s no fun as a commuter.
2. Waive 1 calendar day off in 7.
NavBlue won’t build a line without giving at least 1 calendar day off (00:00-23:59) in a 7 day stretch unless it’s waived. The FARs require 30 hours off in 7 days, but not necessarily a calendar day. The downside is that you can wind up with a line where you don’t get a whole day off in a 14 day period.
3. Waive no same day pairings.
NavBlue won’t build you a line with 2 separate pairings touching the same day. For example, if you finish at 7am on a redeye into base, NavBlue will not give you a 9pm report for a different pairing that same day, unless you waive that provision. The downside is that the resulting schedule could be quite fatiguing.
4. Bidding for a Reduced Lower Limit (RLL) line.
An RLL is a “mixed” or “buildup” line. It’s comprised of both trips and reserve days. You won’t be awarded one unless you ask for it, and even then only if you don’t have the seniority to hold a regular line.
#128
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Monthly NavBlue meeting!!?? Never heard of such a thing…where’s the info on this?
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