New Contract Realistic Timeline
12-31-2022, 04:11 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
Well all the 1500 hour ATPs still think they hit the jackpot. Guys with years at regionals before coming over have changed their tones since I started. And that was was 6-7 months ago. It’s a tone I have noticed. Sick calls are currently an issue.
12-31-2022, 07:30 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by Windsor
The only and I mean ONLY thing that will get a new contract is empty classes and no applications. And that's after management has many discussions amongst themselves on if they actually need to have 225 planes. Absolutely no reason for them to negotiate with the pilot group if they don't need butts in seats.
12-31-2022, 08:14 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
Well all the 1500 hour ATPs still think they hit the jackpot. Guys with years at regionals before coming over have changed their tones since I started. And that was was 6-7 months ago. It’s a tone I have noticed. Sick calls are currently an issue.
01-01-2023, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Except we got a contract last time and we were still hiring.
So, no
And management definitely wants all those planes. More planes = more money.
So, no
And management definitely wants all those planes. More planes = more money.
01-01-2023, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Windsor
The only reason we got our last contract was because of the exact reason i stated before. We had virtually no applications on file, no pool and needed to hire for the new planes showing up. That was the ONLY reason the company finally stopped kicking the can down the road and started negotiating. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat till we all retire.
Itll be very interesting to see how the Spirit pilots vote on their short term TA.
01-01-2023, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I suspect that this time, attrition will be the bigger issue than hiring. We have multiple streams of CFI programs to help fill classes now. However, if we again find ourselves as the lowest paid airline, I agree, the cycle will repeat.
Itll be very interesting to see how the Spirit pilots vote on their short term TA.
Itll be very interesting to see how the Spirit pilots vote on their short term TA.
01-01-2023, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
They’re voting now aren’t they? Not sure when it closes. The consensus at least on the forums is that it will pass. People seem eager to take the money with the idea that it will be very short term.
I assume it'll pass, but with the JB TA that came out with higher pay, it's a tougher sell.
Unfortunately for us, Spirit is really our "peer group" and they are likely to accept an underwhelming agreement
01-01-2023, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Yes, voting is open now. Until Jan 10th or 11th I think.
I assume it'll pass, but with the JB TA that came out with higher pay, it's a tougher sell.
Unfortunately for us, Spirit is really our "peer group" and they are likely to accept an underwhelming agreement
I assume it'll pass, but with the JB TA that came out with higher pay, it's a tougher sell.
Unfortunately for us, Spirit is really our "peer group" and they are likely to accept an underwhelming agreement
01-01-2023, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
Well I highly doubt they would vote yes if there wasn’t a merger brewing. That’s the mindset we need to have when the time comes.
I think that it's going to be bad for us unless they can actually get a joint Spirit/JetBlue done before us. Sounds highly unlikely to me. We are going to be stuck in a position where our "peer group" is this temporary little money grab contract.
I'm rooting for a TA vote failure
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