SPAWNmaster

To be fair you're not actually making as good of an argument as you think you are. With a year on property here I bid 74% system wide, 35% in base, held a line right out of training and now consistently can hold weekends off, no red eyes, commutable trips with CUN/SJU overnights and 18+ days off a month easily (have friends who get 20-21 days off per month in LAS with just over a year on property without even using vacation).

The getting treated like a professional part and operational support are really the only selling points you are hitting on but realize that most people aren't leaving here because the QOL is better at the legacies. In fact, after asking a few friends who either went straight to a legacy (MIL dudes) or guys who left F9 to go on to UAL/DAL it doesn't really sound like the grass is much greener from what I hear. I have heard that with exceptional levels of seniority you can get similar schedule control. An apples to apples comparison IMHO is more like you leave here you lose schedule control and QOL flexibility but you gain better work rules and pay plus operational support at a legacy. Case in point, I was jumpseating home on a legacy just last week. I told them that I had a 3 day trip that was only commutable on the back end so I split the first two legs off day 1 and traded them away and just made the 3 day commutable on both sides. The legacy crew couldn't believe we can do stuff like that, let alone in a seniority-agnostic way.

I'm not saying everything's great here...there's a lot of pain at F9 in particular the antagonistic management team, poor leadership and communication, operational/front-line chaos and lack of support (not to mention how embarrassing it is the way we treat our customers). But I have asked friends at the legacies with 1-3 years there on property and not one has said anything that makes me feel like it would make my personal life easier by making the jump.

HSCompressor

Yeah you can split your trips and lose your min guarantee for that day. Let’s not forget to add that point.

Also. I’m not too sure about that 20-21 days off in Vegas. Maybe in one of the low months. But you’re also not doing that with day turns one year on property. And you’re prob looking at some red eyes.

But red eyes are not unique to west coast bases. And that’s true for any airline.

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hercretired

Ask your ex-Frontier friends now at the legacies what they say, and please report back.

Stayontarget

He/she already mentioned that in the second paragraph of that post.

spooldup

Yeah, I really have been loving some stuff here. I honestly feel there is minimal stuff to fix this contract and it hopefully *fingers crossed* wont take too long. Other than that, I have enjoyed it. I still plan on making this my retirement spot unless something comes along and I no longer have the same QOL that I do currently. Especially looking at marriage and kids in the future, I feel I am better off sitting tight here to have the best QOL for when those things come.

I am sure I could get treated better elsewhere, but when I just want to go to work and be home and done when able, I sure am able to do that here and whenever I want, even at 60% seniority in base.

TransWorld

When I first read your comment, I thought you said water board.

Yes, some days I feel like I am being water boarded.

Anon1212

Haha! Best response ever.

Anon1212

I think you’re missing my point. With the current hiring going on at the legacies, you don’t need exceptional levels of seniority to gain the QOL or schedule control that you believe is specific to F9. Now, that is an extremely broad statement I’m making and highly dependent on which legacy you go to, their rate of hiring, which base/AC you pick. This is all dependent on the music not stopping for a while as well, and who knows what the future holds in that regard. My schedule sounds identical to yours and I left & went legacy about the same time you started at F9. I also had a line out of training, I don’t work weekends or red eyes, and I can switch my schedule around completely during the month if I need to for whatever reason. I get crew meals, they pay for my dry cleaning, my pay is great, and I’m not worried about the repercussions of calling in sick. None of that matters though If YOU have the QOL, base, and lifestyle you want at F9. And if you do, you should 100 percent, absolutely stay. That’s all that matters. However, my post was directed at the guy thinking about waiting it out until contract negotiations end. If that’s your attitude now, pull the trigger. Regarding your friends that have left, well, we must have different friends. Unfortunately, there are a lot of things at F9 that are pushing people to leave, and management’s reputation is no secret now amongst pilot groups at the other airlines. And everybody I know or have come across that has made the switch talks about how great a decision it was for them. Everybody also talks about how amazing the crews are at F9, and how that has been the one regret in leaving. I share that sentiment.

9mikemike

Try being a Frontier customer…Just once…I have..It is a disaster. That is the number one reason to stay away. Cant imagine working at such a train wreck. Every day every leg. I was embarrassed for the crew and I was just a full fare paying passenger. No contract improvements can overcome the dumpster fire that Frontier has become